Tourney advice--first for my daughter---14 years since my last one

WBLskierWBLskier Posts: 372 Baller
It will be my 8 year old daughter's first tournament this weekend and my first one in fourteen years (Center City MN). Wondering if anyone has any tips mostly given that it will be my daughter's first tournament and I want it to be a good experience for her...coupled with the fact that I haven't skied in one since before hand-timing days (I'm not expecting much out of me).

Do you still bring your own handle;
Anything fun to do for my 8 year old when she isn't skiing;
Anything in particular we should bring with us besides gear;
How early do we need to arrive;
Anything else that might be helpful?

Thanks!

Comments

  • Chef23Chef23 Posts: 4,820 Mega Baller
    I always bring my own handle. If your daughter uses a light rope bring that with you also. Frequently the tournament won't have one. Definitely bring your daughters handle you want everything to be as familiar as possible.

    Bring chairs, food, drinks, extra clothes, towels, sun block. One of those pop up tents is nice if there isn't shade at the site.

    You should be able to get the running order from the tournament coordinator and figure out roughly what time you need to be there. I always try to make sure I am at the site an hour before I (or my son) is supposed to ski. Usually that isn't a problem because I drive and judge and have to help out with that.

    Being there early is good to make sure you and your daughter understand the way the site skis. Frequently there can be unique set ups at different sites and you want to make sure you are both comfortable with that.

    Have fun.
    Mark Shaffer
    PatRe
  • KelvinKelvin Posts: 938 Crazy Baller
    If the lake also has a jump course, make sure you point out the slalom course buoys. An unfamiliar site with extra buoys can be challenging for new course skiers.
    Kelvin Kelm, Lakes of Katy, Katy Texas
  • MSMS Posts: 4,282 Mega Baller
    Do you still bring your own handle; Yes

    Anything fun to do for my 8 year old when she isn't skiing; Introduce her to the full line up of Jr skiers that will be there. They are a very good bunch of kids that will keep her busy all day.

    Anything in particular we should bring with us besides gear; Shade and chair if you have it. Cooler, bike or golf cart.

    How early do we need to arrive; MWSA will post running order on Friday but the JR skiers usually ski first.

    Looks like great weather for you and you will have a great time. There will be a few Ballers there. Top notch announcer that will also be the announcer at the Midwest regionals.
    Shut up and ski
    Than_Bogan
  • sunperchsunperch Posts: 195 Baller
    @Chef23‌ The junior ropes have to be LOC provided so no use bringing your own, per new AWSA rule, just an FYI.

    @WBLskier‌ At Nationals in 2011 at the same lake, there was a swimming area close to the slalom starting dock, but it was not very deep and kind of muddy. Kids swam there some but not much. There will be plenty of kids there so encourage her to join the gang. We took bikes but didn't use them much as they had a golf cart shuttle to the parking lot. Haven't decided if we are bringing them this year.
  • KelvinKelvin Posts: 938 Crazy Baller
    @sunperch That's not correct on the junior ropes. Here is the recent clarification from the rules committee.

    Light Lines
    Frequently Asked Questions:

    1. Are light lines tournament-supplied or skier-supplied?
    Answer:
    Light lines are tournament-supplied. They may not be skier-supplied.

    2. Can a skier bring his or her own rope?
    Answer:
    No, skiers may not bring their own ropes, but if the tournament is aware and a line is brought ahead of time, it can be considered the tournament line.
    Kelvin Kelm, Lakes of Katy, Katy Texas
  • klindyklindy Posts: 1,897 Mega Baller
    I can't find the link to the whole "light line guidance" but @Kelvin is correct. If you have a rope you want to use and you alert the tournament early enough there are options. Basically if the loc doesn't have a light line and you want to use it, if they agree, they'll measure it and it may then be available for others skiers in that division to use as well.

    Bring the rope if you have it/want it and speak up.
    Keith Lindemulder
    AWSA Vice President
  • MattPMattP Posts: 5,873 Moderator
    @klindy @Kelvin‌ @sunperch‌

    Light lines are tournament-supplied at the option of the local organizing club, with approval of the Chief Judge or Technical Controller (depending on classification). Skiers cannot show up at the tournament starting dock with their own light lines to be used.
    Light Lines Frequently Asked Questions:


    1. Are light lines tournament-supplied or skier-supplied?

    Answer: Light lines are tournament-supplied. They may not be skier-supplied.

    2. Can a skier bring his or her own rope?

    Answer: No, skiers may not bring their own ropes, but if the tournament is aware and a line is brought ahead of time, it can be considered the tournament line.

    3. If a line is brought in advance for consideration as the tournament line, how much time in advance of the event must it be delivered so that it can be measured?

    Answer: That’s up to the Chief Judge or Technical Controller, if they want to allow this.

    4. If the skier-supplied rope is long (nearing the tolerance), should the skier be allowed to use it if it’s anticipated that the rope may go out of tolerance?

    Answer: That’s up to the Chief Judge or Technical Controller. The Chief Judge or Technical Controller can decide to not use any rope, at their discretion.

    5. If the tournament accepts the skier’s rope, are other skiers entitled to use it?

    Answer: Yes, that rope is then considered “tournament-supplied” and needs to stay for the whole tournament, for any competitor in an eligible division to use. (Eligible divisions include B1, B2, G1, G2, and W6-11.)

    6. Does the tournament accept responsibility if the rope comes apart or breaks, injuring a skier that uses the rope during the event?

    Answer: Yes, since that rope is the tournament-supplied rope. The Chief Judge or Technical Controller has the ultimate say in whether to use the rope or not. An old rope may appear to be acceptable, however, the ultimate tension load has decreased a lot and may break under normal loads. Never use a rope that has or had a knot in it because it can become 50% less manufacturer specification and could break at the knot.

    7. How is a Chief Judge or Technical Controller supposed to identify a light rope, especially given that MasterLine is now selling an “intermediate rope”?

    Answer: Light/Jr Rope: 5 mm (approx. 3/16”) Poly-Pro 8 strand (40 Yarns per strand) that can be used up to 35 off only, the tension load is approx. 1,000# which should be used for B1, G1 only and in Class C or E only.

    Intermediate/Mid Jr Rope: 8 mm (approx. 5/16”) 12 Strand (40 Yarns per strand) that can be used up to 38 off only, the tension load is approx. 1,500# which can be used for B1, B2, G1, G2, W6 and above only in Class C or E. (Currently do not have anything in IWWF allowing this rope to be used in Class L)

    Standard Slalom Rope: 12mm - 10 mm (approx. 3/8”) 16 strand (40 Yarns per strand). All rope length and the specification meets AWSA/IWWF rules and can be used for all divisions and classes.

    However, at this time there is no rule specified for the rope dimension (max take off for the light/Jr ropes), it was the rope manufacture and Technical Committee intent that the Light Line (5mm) NOT be used for anything shorter than 35 off due to the loads being applied. The Mid Rope (8mm) is being made for use down to 39 ½ off. However we have only done studies up to 38 off at this time.

    8. What is the rule regarding tow lines?

    Answer: See Rule 8.04 regarding tow lines.

    9. What optional ropes can be used?

    Answer: The optional ropes that can be used are a 23m non-segmented rope (jump line), light line, or mid line. Skiers do not have to use any of these lines.

    10. If a skier reaches a light line’s shortest option, can he change ropes to finish his run?

    Answer: No, his run is over.

    11. Are light lines allowed for E, L, & R events?

    Answer: See above Question 7.

    Thank you,
    AWSA Rules and Technical Committees
    walleye
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