Jump surface question

LeonLLeonL Posts: 1,897 Crazy Baller
edited November 2014 in Jump
This is kinda sacreligous on BOS, but here goes. Have any of you guys used some sort of paint as opposed to gelcoat on a jump surface? If so, what kind has been good?
Leon Leonard Stillwater Lake KY - SR Driver SR Judge
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  • thompjsthompjs Posts: 511 Baller
    That is ok, it is not about Tricks
  • addkerraddkerr Posts: 122 Baller
    @LeonL Iv used Rustoleum red matt paint. Is still like new after 2 seasons. Painted straight onto GRP surface.
  • lpskierlpskier Posts: 1,818 Mega Baller
    You can also get a red colored wax from Scot Ellis. It makes for a bright red surface. Last batch I bought was $60.
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  • MSMS Posts: 4,285 Mega Baller
    Watch the red wax in the hot sun, ours ended up on the bottom of the ramp when it melted.
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  • paulpaul Posts: 29 Baller
    we use endura EX-2C epoxy paint over fiberglass over plywood - bomb proof!
  • NandoNando Posts: 339 Baller
    We've applied our own fiberglass over plywood with pretty good results but some say it will hold water in and rot the plywood. That MUST be waxed or it will really wear the ski bottoms. We've also used epoxy paint and it lasts well. Ed B. trained me to wax with a Coleman stove and paint rollers, then scrape it like waxing skis. Listen to MS and make sure it's high-temp wax. We've had that happen when trying to save a couple of bucks on wax but have never had it happen with Scot's.
  • lottawattalottawatta Posts: 117 Baller
    I have repainted the surface in the past after repairs. I got a few ounces of coloring from the paint store and mixed two gallons of resin with the coloring in a big bucket. Make sure the coloring you get is good to go for resin. In my case, I like a blue jump surface. I get a baby food jar of both blue and white coloring and mix into the resin to get the shade I want. When the color looks good, I mix in the hardener and paint like crazy. Just make sure you have all the old wax off first!
  • LeonLLeonL Posts: 1,897 Crazy Baller
    This question only addressed using actual paint instead of gelcoat/resin. Thanks for the suggestions. My concern about paint wasn't so much durability as much as whether it would be hard enough for a "fast" surface. Oh by the way, last year we used the "kit" from Scot and it melted and ran down to the waterline on a real hot day. I suppose I should use more carnuba and less parrafin? Doesn't carnuba have a higher melt point?
    Leon Leonard Stillwater Lake KY - SR Driver SR Judge
  • ntxntx Posts: 758 Crazy Baller
    The problem with the wax "running down" has been a problem for many years. Scot at one point said that the formulation was changed for the hotter areas of the country. When we did ours last year, we told him we are in Texas and had no problem. We have never used the red dye.
  • Moskier3evMoskier3ev Posts: 150 Baller
    Back when I skied at Lake Freddie in MO. We used to sand the surface and gel coat. It worked well.
    At SMRR we did not have a problem with wax running but by adding more carnauba to the wax our jump wax gets white and flakey. Ugly but still fine.

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  • EdbrazilEdbrazil Posts: 1,286 Historical Baller
    When you start adding Carnauba, which is one of the very hard and high melting point waxes,
    you need to be careful about too much. Or, it will flake, as noted. Back On The Tour, I
    started using a brew of about 1/3 each Paraffin, Carnauba, and Swix LF10. Not cheap,
    but I can cite one major result at a pro event, where that brew may have made a difference.
  • NandoNando Posts: 339 Baller
    This is a little off topic, but back in the day, '87 if I remember, our state association loaned our blue-surfaced jump (intended to avoid wax melting) to the pro tour. Sammy took one look at it and refused to jump until it was painted. I was away when this happened, but when I returned, there was Ed painting our blue surface red.
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  • EdbrazilEdbrazil Posts: 1,286 Historical Baller
    Wow, I don't remember that, but I probably don't want to remember a lot of stressful situations
    back On The Tour. Especially before the Tour had its own jump ramp and had to deal with all
    sorts of local ramps, many of which had never been to 6 feet.
    Sorry a bit off-topic here. Could go on nearly forever about dealing with ramps & surfaces.
    Could have been worse: back pre-Tour around 1972, the ramp at a Montreal event had
    a WHITE surface. Ricky McCormick jumped wearing sunglasses.
  • lpskierlpskier Posts: 1,818 Mega Baller
    Ricky often jumped wearing sunglasses, and a helmet, as I recall. Wayne was first with the helmet (I think his mom insisted), and Ricky was right behind him. Can't imagine the sunglasses being a good call in an out the front, but I can't recall ever seeing Ricky crash.
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  • NandoNando Posts: 339 Baller
    Ed, picture Lake Phalen in St. Paul, which was too big a lake in the first place, and where the wind was whipping to about 40 MPH by the time of the jump event. Also the place where they opened up a dam and the lake went down about 6" overnight and we had a 2/5 ball that was in maybe 2' of water. After you had me tighten up all the buoys, you pulled me through the course to see if it was still skiable. Because the wind hadn't come up yet, I had the best score of the day. KLP was watching and said he could see the tail of my ski rise up around that ball. It got dangerous when the wind came up- Geoff Carrington had a crash that destroyed his skis. This was just months before his accident.
  • NandoNando Posts: 339 Baller
    This is off topic, but back in the day ('87, if I remember correctly) our state association loaned our jump to the pro tour. Sammy took one look at our blue surface (used to prevent wax melting) and refused to jump on it. I was away from the site when this happened, but when I returned, there was Eddie Brazil painting it red.
  • JWebSkiJWebSki Posts: 86 Baller
    Getting ready to repair the jump ramp and have a few questions. When do you know it is time for a gel coat repair? Im seeing some fiberglass strands so I think that a pretty good indicator. Do I gel coat the entire surface? Does anyone have any advice on what brand gel coat or where I can buy it?
  • Eric KelleyEric Kelley Posts: 190 Solid Baller
    Interlux Perfection, 3 Quarts
    JWebSki
  • Eric KelleyEric Kelley Posts: 190 Solid Baller

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  • LeonLLeonL Posts: 1,897 Crazy Baller
    Be sure you get all the wax off first, and mix hardener carefully. Better a bit slower cure than too fast.
    Leon Leonard Stillwater Lake KY - SR Driver SR Judge
  • Bruce_ButterfieldBruce_Butterfield Posts: 1,046 Mega Baller
    edited March 17
    @Eric Kelley I'm about to start maintenance on my ramp and was going to use gelcoat and thinking it would take about 5 gal. How does the interlux compare to other gelcoats? How much does it take to cover the surface - you said 3 qts???? How many coats? Did you apply with roller or spray? Is a primer recommended? What do you have over the seams between the fiberglass panels?
    Thanks.
    If it was easy, they would call it wakeboarding.
  • Mateo VargasMateo Vargas Posts: 683 Crazy Baller
    Also what's the part number on that color?
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  • sheskis7sheskis7 Posts: 2 New Baller
    This is off the paint subject, it's about waxing. I found the type of wax that was used for years (no color) just plain wax. Buy it in a slab that will do a whole jump all you do is melt it and roll it on with a paint roller. It's super fast and it will not melt and it will last the whole season. Buy it at Lake Elmo Sports for $89.99 and it contains no carnauba. They sell mostly to show ski clubs.
    Bruce_Butterfield
  • Eric KelleyEric Kelley Posts: 190 Solid Baller
    @Mateo Vargas It is Rochelle Red Interlux perfection. Jamestown Marine Distributors are a good source.
    @Bruce_Butterfield This paint is great roll on. There are 2 coats which is plenty. The paint is really thin and somewhat translucent. I did not use a primer but I did use an angle grinder and got all the old paint and wax off for sure! There was gel coat left on the old Mastercraft surface. This stuff sticks like crazy and is very tough. A roller will give a really smooth finish and it dries very rapidly. Only problem I had is that I did the final coat near dusk and had quite a few bugs get stuck. This suff will stick like crazy but will not fill in defects like gel coat.
    I used marine tex between panels which works pretty well. If I was doing it today I would use West Systems Epoxy and chopped strand mat.
  • Eric KelleyEric Kelley Posts: 190 Solid Baller


    Even as a slalom skier you want to hit that! Jumps are too much work, they cut way down on slalom time.
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  • Bruce_ButterfieldBruce_Butterfield Posts: 1,046 Mega Baller
    Thanks Eric! So was 3 qts enough for 2 coats? Just seems low compared to most paints.
    If it was easy, they would call it wakeboarding.
  • Eric KelleyEric Kelley Posts: 190 Solid Baller
    Bruce, I would get 4 to make sure. The stuff is very thin and thats why it takes a low volume.
    Bruce_Butterfield
  • eleeskieleeski Posts: 3,031 MM Trick Skier / Eccentric Person
    Has anybody used red acetal (delrin) as the top surface? It's a tough bearing material plastic. Might last a while and need a lot less wax.

    Eric
  • Mateo VargasMateo Vargas Posts: 683 Crazy Baller
    Wow @Eric Kelley that looks a little nicer than our ramp.


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  • Bruce_ButterfieldBruce_Butterfield Posts: 1,046 Mega Baller
    Interlux Perfection works great. 4 qts for 2 coats on top of primer. I hope to never have to do it again:)




    If it was easy, they would call it wakeboarding.
    Mateo Vargas
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