Blue 2015 Vapor - Horton Settings

HortonHorton Posts: 24,595 Administrator
When I got my new blue Vapor I tried both Rini and Rossi settings. Both worked but were not the feeling I was looking for. I went back to my settings from when I reviewed a green ski. After about 5 sets I am pretty darn stoked.

Slot .777
Head .775
6.8565 (tips)
2.478

29 15/16

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  • BoneHeadBoneHead Posts: 5,832
    I'm assuming a 67?
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  • HortonHorton Posts: 24,595 Administrator
    @ShaneH‌ yep. Sorry.I forget there are other sizes

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  • RichardDoaneRichardDoane Posts: 3,947 Mega Baller
    @horton - how much do I change the DFT to compensate for the lack of hair ?
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  • HortonHorton Posts: 24,595 Administrator
    @richarddoane‌ I don't know but after riding your ski I think you need to grow out your hair or change your settings. Something is wrong and it is not the ski.

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  • RichardDoaneRichardDoane Posts: 3,947 Mega Baller
    edited November 2014
    @horton - i actually reset to Rini's numbers and it seemed better, but will try yours on the next ski ride. did you ever consider that MAYBE my fin had been adjusted just for your ski ride ?
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  • MoggieMoggie Posts: 105 Baller
    @Horton‌ - When you measure your front binding position where do you measure it from on the boot?
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  • HortonHorton Posts: 24,595 Administrator
    Top stitch on back of Vapor boot.

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  • HortonHorton Posts: 24,595 Administrator
    Crap. Maybe bottom stitch. There is a mark on my plate so I forget.

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  • DeanoskiDeanoski Posts: 711 Solid Baller
    edited November 2014
    Horton what is your back distance from tail?
  • RichardDoaneRichardDoane Posts: 3,947 Mega Baller
    @deanoski - you're feet should be as close together as possible, so the rear foot distance is a function of what boot size you're using
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  • JordanJordan Posts: 930 ★★★Triple Panda Award Recipient ★★★
    @Horton‌ maybe as a learning exercise for us in the non-fin-guru class could you tell us what you were looking to change when you altered your settings and perhaps what each change away from the recommended settings did for you?

    It might be interesting!!!!
  • bigtex2011bigtex2011 Posts: 393 Crazy Baller
    Hey @horton it's interesting. What's your water temp. before i broke my ankle in june i was running 2.472, .745. 6.880 29 7/8 i was rico ing alot and getting thru 38 quite a bit in practice.
    i went to 1 tourney got 4 and was bummed. broke ankle day after. went i cranked back up in sept i settled in on 2.472, 6.869. 742 and 29 13/16. got back to scrapping out a few 38's before the water and weather took a dive. i got my vapor in nov of 2013. i tried a ton of settings. but never that far forward. looking forward to this Michigan/artic air to leave the lone star state.

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  • HortonHorton Posts: 24,595 Administrator
    edited November 2014
    I find most modern skis to be finicky to set up for 38 and beyond. Factory numbers and help from factory team guys is key. I always start with factory settings.

    How did I get to these settings? It was 18 months ago and I honestly do not recall all of the iterations. I know Matt and or Chris helped me. I did find the settings in warm / hot water. They still work for me today and my water is 65ish. As a rule I do not adjust much as the water temp changes. I figure that when the water gets cold I change more than the anything plus just don’t want to chase it.
    When I get a ski where I want it I generally leave it alone and work on my skiing.

    What I was looking for? I want the ski to arc in early and then flow back smoothly to the center at off side. A large percent of my settings efforts center around my one ball exit. I am RFF so that is off side. On side on the Vapor is basically foolproof.

    It is not 100% accurate to say that I did not like the stock Rossi or Rini settings on my new Blue Vapor. When I tried both settings I still had the stiffeners in my new Vapor boots. I strongly suspect that I ski better with a softer boot. I took out the stiffeners the same day as I went to my old settings. There is ZERO scientific method here. All I can say for sure is that I am smoking 35s and using self-control to keep from trying to run 38 at the moment. Skiing darn good for November.

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  • JordanJordan Posts: 930 ★★★Triple Panda Award Recipient ★★★
    @Horton...by stiffeners, do you mean the plastic parts inside the vapor boot?
  • wtrskiorwtrskior Posts: 704 Crazy Baller
    @richarddoane‌ it stands to reason that the smaller your feet the more you can separate them. The wider your stance the more stable you can become to a certain point. I've had a couple pros suggest I go 1 back in the rear to just that and it cured offside stalling completely. I'm a size 9 on 67. @5'10"
  • HortonHorton Posts: 24,595 Administrator
    @Jordan yes

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  • JC McCavitJC McCavit Posts: 455 Baller
    @Horton - Stiffeners in new Vapor boots? Is this a new feature for 2015?
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  • HortonHorton Posts: 24,595 Administrator
    @JC McCavit‌ yes

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  • bigtex2011bigtex2011 Posts: 393 Crazy Baller
    Oddly enough I am RFF as well. My offside is money. For the most part, always has been. Some skis better than others. My onside is a bit mechanical. On the Vapor, the onside is descent to pretty good, offside again is sick. I usually don't do much for cold water changes either, my move might have been due to me coming back from the ankle break. I probably was getting stronger and pressing to get big scores for me before winter arrived. Can't wait to get back out there. It's 36 degrees in Dallas today so it might be awhile. bummer dude
  • JC McCavitJC McCavit Posts: 455 Baller
    @Horton - I can't find anything about the stiffeners in brochure or on the Radar website. Are they removable? Can you post a picture?
    JC McCavit
  • HortonHorton Posts: 24,595 Administrator
    @JC McCavit‌ someone will. My stuff is at the lake house

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  • ToddLToddL Posts: 2,703 Mega Baller
    Hmmm... So the prior models had plastic "stiffeners" built into the shells. Do the blue shells no longer have any plastic along each side of the ankles anymore?
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  • HortonHorton Posts: 24,595 Administrator
    @ToddL‌ not much of anything else is changed. The stiffeners are added to the previous design

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  • SkiJaySkiJay Posts: 2,177 Mega Baller
    @Moggie‌ Measure from the bottom stitch on Strada/Vapors.
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  • JC McCavitJC McCavit Posts: 455 Baller
    @Jordan - thanks, not sure how I missed that image in the brochure.
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  • DanEDanE Posts: 786 Crazy Baller
    Have anyone noticed 2015 Rossi and Rini settings are very similar?
    Wasn't it a big difference between them last year with Rini settings being shallow and long?
  • HortonHorton Posts: 24,595 Administrator
    Things change

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  • DanEDanE Posts: 786 Crazy Baller
    So you could say there is more of a consensus between the 2 now?
    Anyone tried both?
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