To glide or not to glide?

Deep11Deep11 Posts: 185 Baller
Hi,
I have been using the one handed gate with good success. I reckon I can get wider though, which should be a big help at 12m and below.
I have been looking at Ski Dawg's video as well as TW as they get really wide before the turn, their approach seems to involve a "glide" before the turn in. (As opposed to Rossi or Jason Mc)
Does anyone have any tips or opinions on this as the timing seems really critical. What I have been finding is that once on the glide (flat ski) it's really difficult to control the "turn in" and also really hard to maintain a tight line
Note: I'm still working on the idea that with the one handed gate I am turning in with speed rather than dropping back on the line (like a two handed gate) - I'm taking hits that I really don't want this early in the season!
Alternatively I may move back to switching edge immediately and avoiding a flat ski glide. In which case any tips to getting wider? Is it necessary ?

To glide or not to glide?

Thanks

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  • RichardDoaneRichardDoane Posts: 3,912 Mega Baller
    @Deep11 - are you LFF or RFF ?
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  • Deep11Deep11 Posts: 185 Baller
    @bry thank you so much for such a comprehensive answer!
    Makes perfect sense - I was thinking about the ski edge and that the flat ski was the problem. Looked back at TW video and yes he does keep the outside edge engaged (watching the spray) until just before the slow turn in.
    I have a couple of sets in about an hour so will work on this.
    Thanks again :)

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  • mwetskiermwetskier Posts: 1,195 Crazy Baller
    chris parrish has an interesting way of fine tuning his speed right before turn in. not all the time but often enough to notice.
  • MSMS Posts: 4,290 Mega Baller
    WARNING, do not try to imitate @skidawgs gate. I tried to do so for 3 years and could not get it right so I went to a 2 handed gate and had better success.
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  • HortonHorton Posts: 23,547 Administrator
    edited March 2015
    what is important is that you are wide, with as much speed as is practical and that you're able to arc in on your front foot.

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  • DaveLemonsDaveLemons Posts: 263 Solid Baller
    Ditto to what @Horton said but I will add that your first move should be cross course and not falling back. Get your body moving before your ski
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  • RichardDoaneRichardDoane Posts: 3,912 Mega Baller
    why a RFF skier uses a one handed gate seems silly to me
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    Horton
  • mwetskiermwetskier Posts: 1,195 Crazy Baller
    @richarddoane -but if he does i'm sure you would agree it should be his right hand - yeah?
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  • Deep11Deep11 Posts: 185 Baller
    Thanks for the advice people. I know it's early in the season but as there isn't much theory discussion going on I'm happy to post my gate efforts from today.
    Went for "glide with an edge" approach - feels a bit like an "s" turn in.
    Frankly it still feels alien to last year. Important part is that I was wide and early at 1 and managed a few easy 32's which makes me happy.
    Comparing these gates to previous I can see that the rope is still touching the wake tower when I am starting to accelerate. Previously this was not the case, so clearly wider and better angle which is good.
    Critiquing myself I would say that whilst I managed to keep the line tight and the timing was definitely better (making the gates and no hits) there is much room for improvement - re: horton - I need to be turning in on the front foot (thought i was but clearly not - that's why I video everything). My stack is also not what it should be making for a lazy edge change.
    Anyone else see anything I should be working on.
    Still damn cold here - but that's no excuse for poor technique. :)



  • mwetskiermwetskier Posts: 1,195 Crazy Baller
    @Deep11 -as far as i know men have been using cold water as an excuse for coming up short for a long time -might even date back to cave man days.
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  • ski6jonesski6jones Posts: 646 Crazy Baller
    From the video it looks like the tower is in the way of you getting to the width you want. I would want to get at least perpendicular to the transom of the boat if not further before my turn in. I think the tower will prevent that.
    Carl Addington, Lakes of Katy, Texas
  • LuzzLuzz Posts: 215 Open or 55K Rated Skier
    @Deep11 try to focus more on your balance before you pull out. It's really hard to control your balance once out there, so it would help to be more on your front foot before pulling out.
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  • Deep11Deep11 Posts: 185 Baller
    @Ski6jones - thanks, I hope it's the camera angle, but will check width next time.
    @luzz - great idea, the more I can get on automatic before everything starts to happen the better. Will work on it.
  • sunvalleylawsunvalleylaw Posts: 1,054 Crazy Baller
    Marking this thread to read more. Has some stuff in it I want to look at more.
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