HO Syndicate V-Type Short Review

HortonHorton Posts: 23,672 Administrator
edited June 2015 in Ski Tests
Unfortunately, this review & my season were cut short by an injury. I rode the Ho V-Type for about 10 of the allotted 25 rides. I will tell you what I do know and what I do not know.

Overall: Before I got hurt, I strongly suspected that this ski would make my short list of personal favorites. With only half of the allotted rides, I feel that I have to be a little inconclusive, but I am telling you that this is one hell of a ski.

As I have stated previously in other posts, I believe there is a trend toward softer flex skis. The V-Type is the first mass production ski that I am aware of with tip flex numbers in the low 130s. The flex numbers on my V-Type are 72/98/118/131. In years past soft skis were thought to be slow or finicky at the ball. The V-Type displays neither of these attributes.

Turns: Ridden aggressively or ridden with more finesse, this ski turns very consistently and creates a lot of angle. The sweet spot at shorter line lengths is maybe smaller than some other skis but not by much. I am unsure about this as I did not have enough rides. I am not sure I found the right spot to stand on this ski – 10 rides is not enough. The next thing I was going to try was to ride the ski extra neutral – equal weight on both feet and much less total body movement.

At the time of my injury I was searching for the right stance for an even better On Side. I found that I had to be careful to not fall to the inside approaching On Side. I can only speculate why but the V-Type requires a skier to be more vigilant about keeping their inside shoulder up when approaching the ball.

I also noticed that when I brought the handle slightly forward all the way from the edge change to the apex the ski turned extremely well. I assume it was simply a matter of maintaining a little extra rope tension but I am not sure.

From the Ball to the Wakes: (I am guilty of saying this about most skis in the last year) The V-Type is best when the skier does not apply too much extra effort through the wakes. If you set your angle and just hold it you will have more than enough speed before the centerline. Past HO Skis like the A1 and A2 encouraged the skier to work harder. The V-Type is not that kind of HO.

The ski is fast and makes a lot of space in front of the ball. There are skis that may make more space but I am not sure if any ski makes more space and turns as well as the V-Type. As with most modern high end skis, the V-Type is not nearly as fast if the skier’s weight is back.

From the Wakes to the Ball: The V-Type is stable enough from the wakes to the ball to make the skier feel comfortable moving forward approaching the apex. Simply put the ski feels comfortable before the ball.

Conclusion: Based on the 10 rides I had, the V-Type is the best HO since the A1.

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Comments

  • IlivetoskiIlivetoski Posts: 971 Crazy Baller
    What do you mean by handle "slightly forward"? You don't mean to disconnect your elbows from your vest do you? Also, did you ever feel like the ski was running down course when it should have been hooking up? I just was at a ski clinic and that was what they saw but said they don't know what kind of adjustment to make for that. It almost looked like "it was too stiff of a ski and it was not flexing when it should have been"
  • HortonHorton Posts: 23,672 Administrator
    @Ilivetoski No not more separated. As the handle gets pulled off your hips on the way to the ball you can push it forward instead of just feeding it to the boat. It is a very subtle move.

    As for trouble getting the ski to turn and having it run down course? Not event a little. I do not relate to that at all.

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  • GarnGarn Posts: 379 Solid Baller
    Thanks for this Horton. I really wanted to hear about this ski. I'm very interested in it. I hope you heal quickly.
  • ggincogginco Posts: 100 Baller
    My 67" V-Type sticker shows flex #s of 70/96/113/123. I'm getting no sensation of slow or finicky at all. I'm 190 lbs and have a tendency to load the line more than I need or should out of the turn so I'm really putting the flex to the test. Right now, I wouldn't change a thing. I'm curious if my sticker numbers are accurate....123#....Wow! I wonder if they meant to write 132? If not, no wonder the V-Type needs the chatter dampener on the front of the ski.

  • ALPJrALPJr Posts: 1,325 Crazy Baller
    @Horton what bindings were you running on the V-type? I ask because I have nixed the idea to go with a SL CX and am now leaning towards the V-type. And, likely sticking with my Animal boots. Unless there are some strong reviews for the new HO VMax boots.
    parkerc2112
  • HortonHorton Posts: 23,672 Administrator
    @ALPJr I was using Reflex with R Style rear

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  • ALPJrALPJr Posts: 1,325 Crazy Baller
    Thanks @Horton. Nice review. I'm hearing lots of good things about this ski.
  • ggincogginco Posts: 100 Baller
    @ALPJr I used the V-Max bindings at first but trying the ski along with new bindings just didn't work out right. The V-Max bindings are super light and comfortable. They really accentuate the "superlight" construction of the V-Type. The mounting philosophy is interesting too. I don't really like that they don't have a removable liner....I think removable is safer. I'd stick with the binding you're used too until you're used to the ski. After that the V-Max boots are worth trying.
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  • SteveoSteveo Posts: 43 Baller
    Picked up a V -Type tonight to demo in the morning can't wait!
  • IlivetoskiIlivetoski Posts: 971 Crazy Baller
    @Steveo one guy in my state was asking what I thought about it. He was coming off the S2. I know he got it after the tournament that day and the next time I saw him I asked how it was. He said "well there's something wrong with that ski. Its like cheating."
    Horton2tracmindaupatkingparkerc2112
  • SteveoSteveo Posts: 43 Baller
    I was able to get in a few passes before an early morning T-storm cut my ride short. On the pull up I sensed this ski is going to be special as it felt very light under foot. I immediately felt very comfortable on this ski. Very user friendly. Normally I like to free ski a new ski to get a feel for it but went straight to the course instead. My my my, I was able to get wide and early with very little effort. I think this is going to be my next ski!
  • IlivetoskiIlivetoski Posts: 971 Crazy Baller
    @steveo tonight I tried it without the tip weight on it and man the ski comes around sooo much quicker.
  • PurdueSkierPurdueSkier Posts: 130 Baller
    @Ilivetoski I haven't tried that. I tried it forward and didn't like that. I haven't tried without the tip weight at all. Are you running stock fin, long and shallow, or something else.
  • IlivetoskiIlivetoski Posts: 971 Crazy Baller
    @PurdueSkier stock fin bindings 1/8th of an inch forward. Put the weight on for a tourney today and tied my PB. I really think 32 will go down tomorrow for the first time in a tournament.
  • wtrskiorwtrskior Posts: 704 Crazy Baller
    edited July 2015
    Mentioned it in the other thread but I modified @savaiusini numbers a bit. working for me quite well now 67 vtype

    6.973
    2.453
    .732
    29 11/16
    8
    weight forward for now.
  • wtrskiorwtrskior Posts: 704 Crazy Baller
    been playing around a bit with the ski some more and am starting to really like it. I have about 20 sets on it now.

    I'm at now, just took a little length away and added some depth:
    6.968
    2.458
    .730
    8
    29 11/16 and my rear boot (Strada) is no longer touching my front heal, but back 1 hole on the sequence plate. this has tightened up my turns and made the ski more stable.

  • skibumsamskibumsam Posts: 66 Baller
    Would be cool to see slow motion video of newer "soft" skis compared with older generation "stiff" skis and compare tip chatter at short line speeds. Not close to the level for noticible tip chatter on my ski. Alpine skiing I have experienced tip chatter on some larger powder skis I've used and it is a bothersome sensation. Especially when initiating a turn at high speeds. For you more experienced ballers does tip chatter have a positive/negative impact or no effect on your skiing?
  • parkerc2112parkerc2112 Posts: 86 Baller
    I was lucky to get a private demo vtr 67"with Will Asher who set set up the ski and coached me and gave great feedback. I'm on an A2 67.5",which I love, but is tough on my body.
    Off the dock the ski was very quick the began to push it and wow, mowed through tough passes for me. I am 213lbs but felt the ski was so much less strain on my body. My question is, since they didn't have a 68 for demo should I purchase a 67 or 68? Comments welcome
  • HortonHorton Posts: 23,672 Administrator
    My guess is at 213 a 68 is the right ski.

    @savaiusini agree?

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  • savaiusinisavaiusini Posts: 227 Water Ski Industry Professional
    Yes, 68 would be best.
    Sam Avaiusini - Operations Manager, HO Sports Company, Snoqualmie, WA
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  • ToddLToddL Posts: 2,701 Mega Baller
    @parkerc2112 , you are gonna kill it on that new VTR ski. Hope HO can get a 68 in your hands ASAP!
    -- The future of skiing depends upon welcoming novice skiers regardless of age to our sport.
    parkerc2112
  • BoneHeadBoneHead Posts: 5,807
    People look at the flex numbers on the VTR I picked up from Will and Mommer last weekend and they say WTF?!?! It's even less stiff than your VT. But man, that thing moves across the wake and feels like it's got a huge sweet spot to stand on in the turns.
    Shane "Crash" Hill

    parkerc2112
  • parkerc2112parkerc2112 Posts: 86 Baller
    V type R's are here. Thank you Bailey Austin for making it happen!
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