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webbdawg99webbdawg99 Posts: 1,067 Mega Baller
Anyone know anything about this? I won't be at Nationals until tomorrow.



  • 303Skier303Skier Posts: 468 Solid Baller
    Any pictures surface yet??
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  • HortonHorton Posts: 25,654 Administrator
    edited August 2015
    I expect a press release today. Reflex told me it is a major upgrade

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  • AndreAndre Posts: 986 Crazy Baller
    Double horseshoes,micro adjustements,heel block...Looks good too!
  • IlivetoskiIlivetoski Posts: 1,150 Crazy Baller
    How much and do I need a new plate? It looks like something you slide under an existing plate for the front horseshoe
  • DeanoskiDeanoski Posts: 744 Crazy Baller
    wow nice looking boot,flat toe and many more new features

    cant wait to try one!!
  • scotchipmanscotchipman Posts: 4,011 ★★★Triple Panda Award Recipient ★★★
    How close can the rear boot get to the front if you run double boots?
    - President of the Utah Water Ski Club
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  • MattPMattP Posts: 5,973 Mega Baller
    edited August 2015
    @Ilivetoski The plate on the bottom is the reflex bond plate. It is used on their skis without inserts. I would say it looks like a different plate with how the two horse shoes line up. I'm sure you could drill an existing plate...

    Looks like Reflex is realizing that everyone was using bondo to achieve what heal piece does.

    I will be taking a look at Nationals tomorrow. I am happy with the release system I use but new boots are always fun to try out.
  • jayskijayski Posts: 625 Crazy Baller
    edited August 2015
    The heel block was needed, lots of guys fabricated their own out of epoxies and such

    @Ilivetoski the bottom plate is the "Reflex Bondplate" , no inserts you use that instead
  • DeanoskiDeanoski Posts: 744 Crazy Baller
    @MattP please take some pic of the shell with the liner out would love to see the lower shell design!
  • NandoNando Posts: 434 Crazy Baller
    It's tempting just for the improved buckles...
  • webbdawg99webbdawg99 Posts: 1,067 Mega Baller
    Will this new shell work on the current single toe loop set up?
  • IlivetoskiIlivetoski Posts: 1,150 Crazy Baller
    @Nando my buddy has those on his reflex. He said they're aftermarket you can get for about $50. I'm not sure where to get them
  • mmosley899mmosley899 Posts: 522 Water Ski Industry Professional
    @webbdawg99 those are the same shells that OB4 has been using since last year, with buckles upgraded. The toe is a different shape from the old style shells.
    @Nando the buckles are available from m2 inc.
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  • davemacdavemac Posts: 447 Baller
    I wonder if the heel block can be retrofit into the current system...
  • Than_BoganThan_Bogan Posts: 6,043 Mega Baller
    @mmosley899 I thought that shape looked familiar... Cute paintjob, but I think I'm more an all-black kinda guy anyhow.

    Looks like we're standardizing on low cuff and integrated heal lift as the way to go as well.

    To me, the fundamental delta is the omnidirectional release, which is why I'm so vocal in my support of the OB4 system.

    But no matter my personal preferences, it makes me happy that so much waterski tech is coming out these days!!
    Nathaniel Bogan -- GUT Padawan
  • DefectiveDaveDefectiveDave Posts: 477 Solid Baller

    I was just thinking that same thing.
  • skinutskinut Posts: 370 Baller
    What is the heel block for?
  • JordanJordan Posts: 1,020 ★★★Triple Panda Award Recipient ★★★
    The heel block is for a more positive connection to the ski. The double toe horseshoes are something Andy Mapple has had on his Reflex set-up for some time.
  • pregompregom Posts: 138 Baller
    Newbie question. Are these bindings useful (necessary?) only for advanced skiers who are chasing buoys at amazingly short rope lengths, or also for people like me who are just starting to slalom with full length rope or 15 off at 30 mph and making 2-3 balls so far? I'm currently using some old plain vanilla equipment from a local ski club I joined and I'm thinking of investing in my first real set of skis and bindings. As I push myself harder, I'm scared of getting hurt and these bindings look so similar to what I would use on snow skis, even at a beginner level. What do you guys think? Saving your ankles and knees seem cheaper than the price of these bindings...
  • Than_BoganThan_Bogan Posts: 6,043 Mega Baller
    edited August 2015
    @pregom I think that's a great question, but unfortunately it doesn't have a clear answer. Here are some thoughts:

    In terms of saving your knees and ankles, a properly set up Reflex binding is usually safer than "plain vanilla" equipment, by which I assume you mean a highwrap rubber binding. In my opinion, a properly set up OB4 system is even safer, because it can release in all 6 degrees of freedom (3 directions and 3 rotations).

    The only thing that prevents me from a strong recommendation of these systems to a beginning slalomer, is the transfer of responsibility. A rubber boot cannot be set up at all, so it cannot be set up wrong. It nearly never releases when you don't want it to, and it sometimes releases when you do want it to.

    Releasable shell systems have a tension setting. The awesome news is you can now control your release characteristics. The less awesome news is, now you HAVE to. If your tension setting is way off in either direction, you're actually less safe than a simple rubber boot. In addition, setting up and maintaining a shell release system is a little more effort than a simple rubber boot.

    So gauge your goals and personality. If safety is important to you and you're willing to take on more responsibility for achieving it, then go buy yourself an OB4 system (or a Reflex if you insist...). If that's not you, then just make sure your rubber boots have the right fit and don't over-tighten them. Waterskiing is not THAT dangerous in the end, so we're not talking life-or-death decision here!

    On that note, make sure your head physically cannot get into your handle triangle -- there are many means to block it including simple duct tape. Although extremely improbable, that is the one place where your life is at risk when skiing.
    Nathaniel Bogan -- GUT Padawan
  • EFWEFW Posts: 98 Baller
    An orthopedic surgeons dream come true!
  • Than_BoganThan_Bogan Posts: 6,043 Mega Baller
    @EFW Not sure I'm following. Do you see something newly unsafe about this Reflex system, or have a concern about the entire concept, or something else?
    Nathaniel Bogan -- GUT Padawan
  • IlivetoskiIlivetoski Posts: 1,150 Crazy Baller
    I haven't had any problems releasing from the side on my reflex, but I feel like that 2nd horseshoe can completely keep that from happening.
  • Nick SullivanNick Sullivan Posts: 676 Baller
    I have pre-released from my front boot coming out of the horseshoe several times. I'll take the second horseshoe any day. I saw this first on Andy Mapple's ski.
  • EFWEFW Posts: 98 Baller
    I am NOT trying to start an argument. I mean come on - now we have two horseshoes. I can just imagine stuffing the tip in an offside turn. I'm quite sure that you will see A performance improvement. But at what cost for safety? I know we have all debated this but not for all the tea in China willI put my feet in those. NFW!!. All we do here is share opinions. It's the same thing with the 3m interlock. It was never designed to release! !!!!.
    I have got to have two releases on my feet. It's simply flies in the face of common sense. Not that any of us have any common sense. Please don't start badmouthing me it wasn't my intention. I simply see those as unsafe. Nothing you say or tell me will change my mind.
  • jayskijayski Posts: 625 Crazy Baller
    @EFW I have "stuffed the tip" more than once with reflex and always released, unlike dual lock
  • IlivetoskiIlivetoski Posts: 1,150 Crazy Baller
    @EFW that is not what releases the boot. It's the release mechanism in the back.
  • Than_BoganThan_Bogan Posts: 6,043 Mega Baller
    edited August 2015
    @EFW Well, we have such poor data that argument and speculation are about all we have. So I'm always very interested in WHY anyone has reached certain conclusions about binding safety. Whether I agree or disagree, anything that resembles a good reason can make me smarter on the issue. So I for one would be quite interested in details on your viewpoint.

    Feel free to send PM if tired of public debate.
    Nathaniel Bogan -- GUT Padawan
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