2016 Ski Nautique 5.3L Zero Off

TriplettTriplett Posts: 205 Open or 55K Rated Skier
Hey guys,

We have a 2016 SN with the 5.3L. I would like some opinions from drivers and skiers about how the boat feels.

To me, the boat feels like it is always running on me. I never really understood the feeling until I skied my Nautique and a 2016 MC in one day. The MC gives me way more swing and feels more efficient. As a driver, the nautiques engine note is flat, unlike the MC, which you can hear it react to the skier load behind the boat. The Centurion (Horton's old blue 6.0L) and the TXi all feel similar to the MC, along with engine note change while skiing.


Is this a similar feeling others are having with the 5.3L SN, or is it just my boat and I need to reflash the ZO? @Jody_Seal might be a huge help on this one.

Brent Triplett - Michigan
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  • RogerRoger Posts: 1,441 Crazy Baller
    From your description of the feel and the flat RPM, it sounds like you have the very first version of the ZO software released with the 5.3 single puck package. I'd get the latest software loaded if I were you.
    Roger B. Clark - Okeeheelee skier. Senior driver, Senior Judge
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  • MSMS Posts: 4,421 Mega Baller
    Play with the ZO settings. I did not have to move the letter for the 5.3 200 but on the 2016 MC I needed to move from B1 to C1to feel normal.
    Shut up and ski
  • LeonLLeonL Posts: 2,005 Crazy Baller
    I have heard this description before, I have also heard that the single puck with 5.7 is too soft. This last comment seems to come from heavier skiers. Now for me (160) I notice no real difference between a '16 200 and two different MC's I skied behind this season. Some other skiers, pulled by these same boats had the same experience as me.
    Leon Leonard Stillwater Lake KY - SR Driver SR Judge
  • TriplettTriplett Posts: 205 Open or 55K Rated Skier
    @MS I love the feel on the MC, hate the feel on the SN. I moved to C2 yesterday and it felt better. @Roger , I suspect this is the case. The boat was delivered in January. I will work on getting the latest and greatest from the dealer.
    Brent Triplett - Michigan
  • dislanddisland Posts: 1,121 Crazy Baller
    just go to the ZO web site and download the latest version from their portal. Also read the detailed release notes and release history that is clearly documented. Don't forget to also review the compatibility matrix that explains which versions are supported by the different engine combinations and puck types, going back in time to the original versions. After that you can read the blog entries and instruction guide that explain the pull types and letter combinations and how they work. They also have a great manual for how to do upgrades to ensure you dont lock up you system and have to send the head back to get re-flashed. They also have a great resource for how to source the upgrade cables, jump cable and ancillary equipment you will need to keep your system upgraded and performing to the latest release.
    Dave Island- Princeton Lakes
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  • ColeGiacopuzziColeGiacopuzzi Posts: 364 Open or 55K Rated Skier
    edited July 2016
    @Triplett I have heard people have been changing numbers and/or letters on the new 5.3 SN 200. What ZO setting were you running before you changed to C2? I agree as well the MC is money!!
    Cole Giacopuzzi • Radar Skis
  • TriplettTriplett Posts: 205 Open or 55K Rated Skier
    C1, figured C2 would give me more rpm earlier, giving me more release out to buoy. It worked, kind of. Still, the SN is a lot of work, but I don't miss the 5.7L.
    Brent Triplett - Michigan
  • MISkierMISkier Posts: 1,999 Mega Baller
    @Triplett, I only got one pass (well, not quite) behind your 200 on Saturday and did not drive in that round. It might have felt a little strong to me, but I had many other issues anyway. I did select C1 instead of C2, because I had been concerned it might be "on me" more. I would need more skiing time with it and some driving time to comment more intelligently.

    @Horton old Centurion pulled many great scores and PBs in the 3rd round with the old two puck system. It drove well, too.
    The worst slalom equipment I own is between my ears.
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  • RogerRoger Posts: 1,441 Crazy Baller
    I used B2 on the old 2 puck 5.7 and 6.0 Ski Nautiques. I use B2 on everything except the new 5.3/6.2 SN where I use B1. I just feel the new engine single puck combination is slightly firmer than the old setup. I'm still using B2 on the Centurion with single puck, but they have not switched to the 5.3 or 6.2 yet (the one I ski behind is a 6.0), so I don't know if that will be a factor or not. In the last tournament at Okeeheelee that I skied, I ran [email protected] behind all three hulls (5.7 MC with 2 pucks, 6.0 Centurion with 1 puck, 5.3 Ski Nautique with 1 puck). If you include the Malibu, all 4 boats are pretty great these days and we have to get really picky to find issues...
    Roger B. Clark - Okeeheelee skier. Senior driver, Senior Judge
  • MSMS Posts: 4,421 Mega Baller
    @Triplett Move the letter to B and if you used 1 on C, try B1. Always move letters of out of sync with the boat.
    Shut up and ski
  • TriplettTriplett Posts: 205 Open or 55K Rated Skier
    I have no problem with the letter. I am more concerned with having the correct software on the boat. I just checked the version and it's at E1886400R.
    Brent Triplett - Michigan
  • HockdogHockdog Posts: 129 Baller
    Sure miss Perfect Pass..........
    AndreHortonwtrskiorMitzysman
  • dbutcherdbutcher Posts: 236 Baller
    @Triplett, for what it's worth, E1886400R is shown on AWSA's website as the approved ZO version for Nautique (revised 3-15-16). I don't know if there is a later one that may be in process of being approved by AWSA, but some of the promo Nautique guys on this forum probably know.
  • greggreg Posts: 35 Baller
    @Triplett, E1886400R appears to be the correct software for single puck Nautique. The approved versions are posted USAWS/AWSA/ Towboats & Speed Control/216 Approved ZO software.

    Greg Chapman
  • TriplettTriplett Posts: 205 Open or 55K Rated Skier
    Alright, thanks guys. It must be the way the 5.3L works with ZO, just was curious of why it was different.
    Brent Triplett - Michigan
  • RogerRoger Posts: 1,441 Crazy Baller
    The other thing to check would be the prop. Make sure it's the one the current promo boats are using.
    Roger B. Clark - Okeeheelee skier. Senior driver, Senior Judge
  • B_SB_S Posts: 168 Solid Baller
    The new DI engines are so responsive and dynamic in their acceleration characteristics, it would make sense that one would need to move back a letter.
  • TriplettTriplett Posts: 205 Open or 55K Rated Skier
    @Roger I will take a look tonight.
    Brent Triplett - Michigan
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  • skierjpskierjp Posts: 515 Solid Baller
    The prop should be a 654
    JAS
  • mcskier41mcskier41 Posts: 21 Baller
    Brent,, I second checking your prop as that can make huge difference.
    Horton
  • rodeconrodecon Posts: 164 Baller
    I skied behind a '16 200 a few weeks ago with the new 5.3 and was intimidated just looking at that lump of iron! The doghouse is huge just to cover the thing up!
    Horton
  • HortonHorton Posts: 24,479 Administrator
    @Triplett my old 6L! So kick ass. Come to Cali. My current Centurion is 5.7 but skis the same as the blue 6.0. The 6.0 is more fun to drive but in the Centurion they ski about the same.

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  • HortonHorton Posts: 24,479 Administrator
    @Triplett call @Jody_Seal about the prop. He knows SN props like @DumbAss knows social diseases.

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  • BoneHeadBoneHead Posts: 5,832
    Ahhhh, now I understand the text at midnight, you jack-wagon!
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  • TriplettTriplett Posts: 205 Open or 55K Rated Skier
    Thanks @Horton. Our hoist has been broken so I haven't been able to see the prop number.
    I have thought more about @B_S's comment with DI being more responsive. This would mean C is actually on you earlier than on the Port injection boats. So moving to B or even A might not be a bad idea.
    Brent Triplett - Michigan
  • acmxacmx Posts: 214 Baller
    @skierjp My freind told me his 5.3 promo 200 has a 668? Felt no different to me.
  • skierjpskierjp Posts: 515 Solid Baller
    The 654 is the approved AWSA prop for the 5.3. The 668 is for the 6.2
  • TriplettTriplett Posts: 205 Open or 55K Rated Skier
    So I moved to B3 and I am getting a much better feel from the boat. Seems to be direction a few other guys I know that were at C have went to at least B, some to A.
    Brent Triplett - Michigan
  • ozskiozski Posts: 1,458
    Any update on how the 5.3's are working out for skiers?
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