What is the purpose of nationals?

dislanddisland Posts: 1,053 Crazy Baller
edited February 9 in Rules/Politics/Issues
@MattP per your request :)

What is the purpose of nationals? 63 votes

A competition to determine age division champions only
20%
HortonDaveDRichardDoaneToddLjdarwinDeanoskigjohnsonjayskiaussiemcJeffSurdejMISkierMillerTime38JWebSki 13 votes
A waterski festival where like minded skiers gather to compete, socialize and see the latest from vendors who support the sport
12%
Than_Bogan[Deleted User]Mateo VargasZmanTriplettDkLkSkrColeGiacopuzzinleuth 8 votes
Both 1 and 2
66%
eleeskiscotchipmandislandanimalChef23PSMKelvinlpskierraynskiinxsMarkTimmJody_Sealsunperchwalleyeskier2788Wishtrishel41dbskijstaab3Ilivetoski 42 votes
Dave Island- Princeton Lakes

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  • Than_BoganThan_Bogan Posts: 5,620 Mega Baller
    edited February 9
    A waterski festival where like minded skiers gather to compete, socialize and see the latest from vendors who support the sport
    I believe the purpose should be the "convention." That's the part I value most. However, I doubt that purpose can be achieved without having some serious competition as the backdrop.
    Nathaniel Bogan -- GUT Padawan
  • HortonHorton Posts: 23,532 Administrator
    A competition to determine age division champions only
    For the event to be successful I believe it needs to be a strict competition for the very best designed to crown a champion or a wide open Festival that welcomes everybody who is interested. When you try to do both you are going to make compromises at which point neither goal is fully achieved.

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  • HortonHorton Posts: 23,532 Administrator
    A competition to determine age division champions only
    I votrd for competition but actually I would be just as happy with Festival. One or the other but not both.

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  • EdbrazilEdbrazil Posts: 1,287 Historical Baller
    At one time, 55+ years ago, the US Nationals was the premier tournament in the world.
    It was the pinnacle, whether you were a skier or a tournament organizer. I remember
    hearing one sponsor outlining his goals: Local tournament first (1 or 2 years), and then
    Eastern Regionals, and then Nationals. For sure, it would have been a lot simpler to put
    on a Nationals back then.
  • TriplettTriplett Posts: 205 Open or 55K Rated Skier
    A waterski festival where like minded skiers gather to compete, socialize and see the latest from vendors who support the sport
    I am with @horton on this one. It needs to be either an elite event where it crowns the best of the best, or it needs to be a festival. I would think that the manufacturers would prefer the festival event over the elite event. To be honest, we aren't the people that spend money at nationals.
    Brent Triplett - Michigan
    walleye
  • HortonHorton Posts: 23,532 Administrator
    A competition to determine age division champions only
    @Triplett for sure. A big ability based festival would be the best thing for the industry. Lots of skiers and lots of divisions and lots of champions. It is not how the sport has been run historically (and it makes me a little nauseous) but maybe it would be the best thing for the sport.

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  • dislanddisland Posts: 1,053 Crazy Baller
    Both 1 and 2
    If it feels a little uncomfortable that means your out of your comfort zone. What that is is real change. Real change is a little scary. That's why most people never do.

    One thing we all agree on, I think, is we cant just keep doing the same thing or we will end up in a very scary place
    Dave Island- Princeton Lakes
  • Than_BoganThan_Bogan Posts: 5,620 Mega Baller
    A waterski festival where like minded skiers gather to compete, socialize and see the latest from vendors who support the sport
    Different and therefore wrong :)
    Nathaniel Bogan -- GUT Padawan
  • ToddLToddL Posts: 2,701 Mega Baller
    edited February 10
    A competition to determine age division champions only
    The current purpose seems to be the first answer. The desired purpose seems to be the last answer. But, the poll question didn't ask what it should be...
    -- The future of skiing depends upon welcoming novice skiers regardless of age to our sport.
  • ColeGiacopuzziColeGiacopuzzi Posts: 344 Open or 55K Rated Skier
    A waterski festival where like minded skiers gather to compete, socialize and see the latest from vendors who support the sport
    I second that @Triplett @Horton
    Cole Giacopuzzi • Radar Skis
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  • HortonHorton Posts: 23,532 Administrator
    A competition to determine age division champions only
    If it is a festival, is it important that there be some Pro Event going on at the same time?

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  • Mateo VargasMateo Vargas Posts: 683 Crazy Baller
    A waterski festival where like minded skiers gather to compete, socialize and see the latest from vendors who support the sport
    Just change the name to All Stars
    Success is failure that just hasn't happened yet
    RazorRoss3
  • RazorRoss3RazorRoss3 Posts: 1,165 Mega Baller
    Placement I understand, if you're only out there for that then you will ultimately be disappointed because even the best can't win every day. It's skiing, it's supposed to be fun, if it wasn't then most of us wouldn't blow a healthy amount of our budget on it annually ;)

    As for time and money? There are a million uses for every second and every penny and for anyone limited by salary or time off I think it is a pretty easy choice to spend a day at the lake with friends/family than to use those resources for a national tournament that as a community we can't even agree on what it should be.

    Nationals honestly feels more like a side note to the season to me rather than a conclusion. The hype in the waterski world is around the pro tour events, the big pro ams, and a couple of popular amateur events at few iconic sites. The argument FOR is always "see how you stack up against the nation", guess what, I have a rankings list for that. Follow up "but that's an average, this is 'who shows up that day'". So? Why do I care if I was better today than some guy from California who I've never met? I'll take the local events where I know the people I'm skiing with and can just chill out by the shoreline or at the dock any day.
    jcamp
  • Than_BoganThan_Bogan Posts: 5,620 Mega Baller
    A waterski festival where like minded skiers gather to compete, socialize and see the latest from vendors who support the sport
    Please send me my Almost Decided To Go To Nationals trophy!
    Nathaniel Bogan -- GUT Padawan
    RazorRoss3
  • TriplettTriplett Posts: 205 Open or 55K Rated Skier
    A waterski festival where like minded skiers gather to compete, socialize and see the latest from vendors who support the sport
    I agree with @RazorRoss3, nationals isnt really a cap on the season for me.

    To @horton's seemingly missed point, yes, a pro tournament would need to be accompanying the festival to make sense.
    Brent Triplett - Michigan
  • RazorRoss3RazorRoss3 Posts: 1,165 Mega Baller
    @OB1 you hit the nail on the head because it's a combo of both. Time is a limiting factor and to average joes it's hard make sense of a tournament that burns so much of it.

    Possible that creating either a more exclusive (literally just the best where all competitors have good odds at a podium if they bring their game) or inclusive (literally open to all and just let everyone have some fun) model would create more interest but until nationals can make an argument that it is a good choice of how to spend limited time it will continue to struggle.

    All of that said, I'm a level 8 so if I go to regionals I qualify and if I'm skiing like I should be at Nats time I plan on attending this year.
    MISkier
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