Turning at short line is a different beast I feel than long line - at long line you can effectively carve a wide radius turn. At short line (32 and below) however this does not seem to be the way - every coach I've ever met says that your goal is to keep to going out and then get back in as fast as possible. Whilst no one is advocating a "slam" turn this seems to be all about maintaining a "tight line". (Smear / weight forward etc etc all still apply obviously).
My question is how do the "great and the good" do this. The only way Freddie and Whitney for example can stack those massive turns is maintaining speed and keeping their COM moving outbound. (keeping a tight line all the way out .)
Interestingly it looks like the dynamics of the ski in the water mean that as they force everything outbound the ski is actually on the turning edge and rotating towards their intended direction of travel. They just don't engage that direction until the apex. At which point the boat has moved far enough down the lake to maintain a tight line.
The one that seems to buck the idea of course is Nat - he regularly approaches the bouy with a loose line, suggesting he could get wider?
I know that some will be thinking it's the back arm connection off the second wake - which is clearly a factor (if that works for you - I'm more a trailing arm pressure guy - but really don't think anyone wants to get into that again!), it's when you release the outside arm I'm interested in.
Has anyone tried different things and achieved different results? Seems to me that if you keep everything going out until the last then a pretty good turn can be had whether you are perfectly balanced (for / aft) or not.
Conversely you can be well balanced on the ski carve a turn and run into slack / or simply fall over.
Of course the second part to this would be - once out, how do you initiate getting back in fast without just falling over or pulling on the line?
Is it fair to say that leaning into the turn (any turn) is bad thing ?
Apologies for the rambling nature of this, just trying to get it clear in my head. (And pass the time whilst my broken leg heals).