My first BOS coaching session

escmanazeescmanaze Posts: 417 Crazy Baller
Alright folks, I think I'm ready for my first BOS coaching session. I got out yesterday and ran a 32 mph -15 about as clean as I've ever done it, so if you see me doing things wrong in this video, it is probably because I really do them wrong and not just a fluke.

Before getting too nitpicky, keep in mind, I only ski about once a week at best so I don't set my personal bar super-high with my skiing expectations. Nevertheless, I'm sure I'm doing some things wrong that are obvious and maybe easier to correct. Anyway, fire away, let me have it!! :)

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  • HortonHorton Posts: 23,547 Administrator
    looks better than @scotchipman.

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  • escmanazeescmanaze Posts: 417 Crazy Baller
    Ha ha ha!!!!
  • ToddLToddL Posts: 2,701 Mega Baller
    Try skiing with all of your weight on the balls of your feet, mostly on the ball of the front foot (right). You are a bit "back" on the ski as if you are pressing with your heels. An athlete is ready and in charge when on his "toes". Also, stand a bit taller all of the time. This will help bring your hips just a few more degrees forward. Those two should make that pass even smoother and easier.
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  • HortonHorton Posts: 23,547 Administrator
    @ToddL how does a skier whose center of mass is back get on his toes. Your post almost earned a panda for sounding like 1980's era ski school. Balls of your feet? Seriously?

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  • gregygregy Posts: 2,362 Mega Baller
    edited June 26
    Looks good. Keep working on the stack. Hips forward, flex ankles. I try to start behind the boat by standing tall with my hips forward and weight biased on my front foot. Then without changing that weighted bias start my pullout. That way when you come up to glide your body is already in the correct position. Seems like your turn in to the gates is a little abrupt. Turn in a little more gradual and make sure you ski you hips to the handle.
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  • lpskierlpskier Posts: 1,824 Mega Baller
    Try skiing on a longer lake. You looked a little rushed entering the course with that short set up. ;-)
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  • gregygregy Posts: 2,362 Mega Baller
    I agree with lpskier. I pull out much early for gates and do a more gradual pullout.
  • Than_BoganThan_Bogan Posts: 5,620 Mega Baller
    @Horton You knew some forward thinkers in the 80s. First I heard of moving weight to balls of feet was from a couple of folks named Adam in 2015.
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  • RazorRoss3RazorRoss3 Posts: 1,170 Mega Baller
    That looks good, I'd try to pullout wider for the gate and take a little more angle through it to start with. A lot of in-course bobbles can be symptoms of the gate rather than things you actually need to fix since they will take care of themselves once the gate is dialed in.
  • UWSkierUWSkier Posts: 573 Crazy Baller
    edited June 26
    The way someone much smarter on the gate than me has explained it is that you should feel almost all the weight on your front foot in your gate. It will feel exaggerated to put that much weight on your front foot, but you're actually very balanced that way. Anyways, start outside the trough with hips up and as much weight on front foot as possible, then just lean (out over your front leg, not back) starting at 1/10 intensity, building up to 10/10 before coming up for the glide. Don't go 10/10 right away or you get sprung up and flatten out, losing speed. Then just let the ski come under and go, staying tall and over front foot.

    Something I'm still working on, but when you do it right, it makes the whole pass $$$.
  • HortonHorton Posts: 23,547 Administrator
    edited June 26
    @Than_Bogan
    I HATE that phrase because for a skier whose stack is broken it is unachievable and unhelpful. "Get on you toes" or "balls of your feet" does nothing to tell the skier what to actually try to do.
    I worked a lot of ski school in the late 80 and the early 90 and we told the students a lot of shit that I now know was just wrong and terrible.

    Furthermore many skiers will try to lift their heel to get on their toes. That is not going to end well. If @AdamCord wants to tell an already advanced skier to get on his toes then I am 99.99999% sure that is different.

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  • HortonHorton Posts: 23,547 Administrator
    @escmanaze read my VERY old BRP article I think there might be some nuggets in there for you

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  • WishWish Posts: 6,747 Mega Baller
    edited June 26
    @Than_Bogan I'm with you but I would guess someone might have said that back then. The Adams, for me anyway, explained the why part. The how part I suspect is up for argument depending on how any given skier interprets the how part. But ball of my front foot is where I want to be. My boot is even set up for this...but that's a whole diff thread. A lot of advice on COM forward gets it done. Most are only aware of COM and do not realize they have just added weight to the ball of their foot. But just about all sports movements involve the balls of your feet as key to balance and performance. We just seem to ignore teaching that in skiing. It's taught elsewhere. Just ask any tennis player, or volleyball player or golfer or...........
    >>> 11.25..a different kettle of fish. <<<
  • HortonHorton Posts: 23,547 Administrator
    @Wish Yes yes whatever. We all agree that the end result is center-of-mass forward and wait transferred into the front of your foot. But for a guy who's learning the course telling him to get on the balls of feet is like telling him to "ski more like Nate Smith"

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  • Than_BoganThan_Bogan Posts: 5,620 Mega Baller
    Fair enough. I don't completely agree, but I see your point.
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  • MISkierMISkier Posts: 1,860 Mega Baller
    edited June 26
    3 things that helped me.

    1. Clench glutes and butt cheeks. Draw them in forward to get your hips up.
    2. Chest out to prevent shoulders from slumping forward.
    3. Head/vision up. Don't look at your ski or at a low horizon.

    After that, don't forget the basics of straight arms and slight bend in front knee.

    My biggest struggles with good body position always start with a lack of confidence and commitment to the pass. As soon as I am tentative about it, my position immediately adapts to match that poor amount of aggressiveness and absent conviction that I will not only run the pass, but completely smoke it. Don't just believe you can do it, know that you can and can do so with authority.
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  • HortonHorton Posts: 23,547 Administrator
    edited June 26
    I am not making friends today....

    @MISkier
    Clench glutes and butt cheeks. Draw them in forward to get your hips up.

    OMG! That is the cornerstone of horror! I told that to hundreds of students back in the day and wish i could give them all a refund today.

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  • WishWish Posts: 6,747 Mega Baller
    edited June 26
    "Yes yes whatever" is so close to a Panda. Let me try harder for one.

    I didn't say to just tell him to ski on the balls of his feet. Note the "how" part of my statement. Saying move COM forward like Nate would be about the same...useless and counter productive if misinterpreted and allowed to remain that way. COM forward has its own issues of misinterpretation as well as stacked. But to completely ignore the awareness of the balls of your feet or the how can hold a skier back IMHO. It is all connected and yes I would not tell someone with a broken stack to do this. But no the skier does not have to be a advanced skier. Beginner is actually a better place for it as with any sport taught. In the last 6 months I've taken 2 beginning skiers a looooong way by incorporating balls of feet. I was skeptical. Im not anymore. But do agree there has to Be a "how" with any terms tossed out as a suggestion including stack, COM....
    >>> 11.25..a different kettle of fish. <<<
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  • MISkierMISkier Posts: 1,860 Mega Baller
    edited June 26
    @Horton, what would you say now instead of that (other than straighten back leg)? It needs to be something that engages and aligns the core.

    Edited: by the way, since I did eventually fix that alignment using that technique, I never had to think about or consciously do it again. I know I don't do it today, now that I know what it feels like to be in the right position. I just go there now.
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  • HortonHorton Posts: 23,547 Administrator
    @wish
    "Yes yes whatever" is so close to a Panda. Let me try harder for one.

    Is not like a panda. It means yes I agree in principle

    I am on a tear this morning because when we coach less experienced skiers we really need to think about using words that make sense to them. If you watched me ski and said i was dragging my ass I would know exactly how to fix that but for a new skiers we are wasting our time if we do not pick our words carefully and wisely.

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  • HortonHorton Posts: 23,547 Administrator
    edited June 26
    @MISkier It freaks everyone out but I do infact teach skiers to ski with straighter legs. It is the easiest way to get your center of mass forward. If you want to go in the weeds it is the ratio of back knee bend vs front knee bend. As your back knee bends more your mass always goes back.

    We could go into ankle bend but for a skier at @escmanaze's level I think this too far in the weeds to start with.

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  • DeanoskiDeanoski Posts: 683 Solid Baller
    1 bend your front ankle to get hips up this will help your stack
    2 the handle is above your belly button if the pull is high is pulls you forward so then the hips go back. the handle should be below the belly button.
  • skidawgskidawg Posts: 3,080 Open or 55K Rated Skier
    @ToddL said balls....Hahahahahaha! Great skiing @escmanaze, keep it simple-body alignment, arm pressure, handle control and vision. Don't listen to @Horton he tries to make everything sound fancy!
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  • HortonHorton Posts: 23,547 Administrator
    @Deanoski stand up, drop your ass behind you and try to fix it with just ankle bend. It sort of works but if your back leg is collapsed already it is semi futile. 1,000,000 times easier to just straighten out your back leg.

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  • HortonHorton Posts: 23,547 Administrator
    edited June 26
    @escmanaze don't listen to @skidawg his is very tall, extremely dumb and super strong. He has no idea how he skis so well.

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  • skidawgskidawg Posts: 3,080 Open or 55K Rated Skier
    @Horton - I got everything sorted out this weekend- pretty sure standing tall is part of the equation!
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  • HortonHorton Posts: 23,547 Administrator
    @skidawg now you are just being nice. Odd.

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  • gregygregy Posts: 2,362 Mega Baller
    A few years ago I did some coaching with Seth Stisher. He watched me through 2 pass which I thought were pretty good. I very proud set down after the 2nd pass thinking I hadn't made a total ass of myself. He quickly deflated my ego by saying "you had 90% of your weight on the back foot the hole time".

    So its not easy for beginners but once your learn the body positioning you will be rewarded. There are some different theories on how to get it done but the basis it to get the body aligned shoulders, hips and front foot all aligned with knees and ankles flexed. Whenever you're standing around during the day just practice it, my coworker I'm sure are wondering what the hell I'm doing all the time standing like that. @Than_Bogan has write up he did on how to get stacked.
  • skidawgskidawg Posts: 3,080 Open or 55K Rated Skier
    @Horton - Not being nice, you just finally said something simple that makes sense in a non intergalactical non philosophical way i agree with!
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