New hardshell need some suggestion

cacmancacman Posts: 62 Baller
Just purchased new super shell, I have been on a reflex over 10 years. Currently skiing on a 68inch HO VTR. Put supershell on same position as old boot, turned like tank on side off side not great. Boots so close together the metal an release touching back big toe, felt like if I ejected I would hurt back toe. Moved supershell forward little better I have moved both back both forward. Tried moving fin forward a bit then I felt like water grabbing my front foot. It seems supershell will lean back too far and too easy. There are stoppers on both sides of boot but I think they should be larger. I would really appreciate any suggestions.
adamhcaldwell
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  • DeanoskiDeanoski Posts: 709 Solid Baller
    I feel your pain, early this year I was trying a new shell and got no where so I went back to the old shell and everything felt right, changing boots is harder than skis IMO.

    good luck!
    condorpilot
  • WaternutWaternut Posts: 1,511 Crazy Baller
    Even switching to a different liner in the same shell is like learning to ski again. It'll come back pretty quick (10-15 sets) so if you want to use that new shell, keep with it.
    wtrskior
  • cacmancacman Posts: 62 Baller
    I have rotated back boot, but I have always had it rotated. I have about 15 set on it now and I am struggling make my opening pass. I really think it leans back too far. I have tried contacting reflex but no reply. Trying to figure out a way to put larger stoppers on side of boot.
  • DeanoskiDeanoski Posts: 709 Solid Baller
    @cacman the good thing a blk reflex shell is only 120. very cheap compared to skis and boats theses days just order a new blk shell and start ripping again.
  • eleeskieleeski Posts: 3,260 MM Trick Skier / Eccentric Person
    While I don't know exactly which shell you have, I've seen a couple Reflex shells that have very little support out the back. Others are quite stiff. I pin my trick shells with bolts to get enough support. There is a large variation between shells.

    I looked at Merry's new Reflex shell with no support against going back and figured I'd have to modify it to suit me if I used it. I'd first cut an antifreeze plastic bottle to get a 6 inch by 8inch flat sheet of plastic. I'd stuff this between the back of the liner and the inside of the shell. Try that to see if it stiffens the boot enough. Trim any excess. If that plastic isn't stiff enough then cut up a cheap wastebasket or something with flexible plastic. The plastic from a 5 gallon bucket is way too stiff from my experience.

    A thick Intuition liner will also give more stiffness - and look a bit cleaner (this was Merry's solution). There are lots of ways to tune a boot to your preferences. Talk to your local pro shop or go to a snow ski bootfitter.

    Eric
  • cacmancacman Posts: 62 Baller
    I field engineered a couple of stoppers for the back, they keep me more forward like a snow ski boot. Has made a huge difference. Still not back to where I was.
  • HortonHorton Posts: 24,486 Administrator
    @cacman I am not sure I understand the problem. You went from an older Reflex to the supershell and now the release is farther back and is closer to the toes of your back foot?

    As far as your skiing I suggest you go back to your original settings. If your fin and bindings are in the same place the only difference should be the flex of the shell. I would not suggest moving fin and bindings to compensate for boot flex.

    Am I missing something?

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  • cacmancacman Posts: 62 Baller
    Nothing to do with the release, although the release does nearly set on top of big toe and I worry when it does release I may break my toe. It seems to be shaped a little different then the old one. The top of the boot, where your ankle is at, allows you to tilt/lean /shift, back past 90 degrees. They have two black stoppers but they don't stop the top cuff of boot until you are way past 90 degrees. Apparently I rock back and away at end of turn and I need some support like you would have in a snow ski boot. Skied with Adam cord couple weeks ago, he had a metal bar permently attached between boot and cuff angled forward,
  • HortonHorton Posts: 24,486 Administrator
    1) @AdamCord is crazy

    2) now I understand you're talking about. I still suggest you return your fin and bindings to original settings and deal with the range of motion of your boot separately.

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  • HortonHorton Posts: 24,486 Administrator
    Not really

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  • DeanoskiDeanoski Posts: 709 Solid Baller
    That looks like a fraken. Boot to me and I have tried lots of boot mods over the yrs started skiing hard shells in 1986 Back in the ARC days
  • DeanoskiDeanoski Posts: 709 Solid Baller
    @cacman Just get a new boot the same as the old one if you want the same 404 release just flip the rear block over and top and rip
  • eleeskieleeski Posts: 3,260 MM Trick Skier / Eccentric Person
    @AdamCord If you oversize the hole a bit and add a rubber bushing, you won't tear the plastic in the shell. I used some vacuum hose cut very short. I pinned my trick shells like that for years with very good results. Without the rubber the shells tore quickly.

    Eric
    AdamCord
  • MattPMattP Posts: 5,921 Mega Baller
    @AdamCord care to share the philosophy behind making the cuff hold a static position?
  • AdamCordAdamCord Posts: 535 Open or 55K Rated Skier
    @cacman sorry for derailing your thread.

    @MattP The Reflex boot in its stock form wants to hold your shin vertical, and it takes some effort to bend your ankle. Here's a shot of one:


    Now let's have a look at some of the arguably best performing boots that have existed:





    All these boots have something in common, they force your ankle to flex forward. This is desirable when skiing because it forces your hips/COM forward on the ski. I won't explain here why that's a good thing.

    As for why wouldn't you want to be able to flex your ankle backward? Tell me at what point in the course have you ever thought "I need my hips to be further back on the ski"? The Radar in particular allows for very little backward movement and it is clearly very successful. Honestly the only reason I don't run that boot is that I like the Reflex release system better. Locking the cuff on the Reflex gives me the best of both worlds, and my skiing has become much more consistent since making this modification last year.

    Here I am doing some dry land modeling with the modified boot:


    Ralph LeeBruce_ButterfieldMISkier
  • Chef23Chef23 Posts: 5,033 Mega Baller
    @AdamCord can the boot flex forward with your modification?
    Mark Shaffer
  • AdamCordAdamCord Posts: 535 Open or 55K Rated Skier
    @Chef23 no it's locked solid. There's enough play in the liner that my ankle can flex some front to back, but the cuff doesn't move. I like it like this because it won't let me overflex my ankle, similar to the limiting strap Reflex puts on the cuff.
  • AndreAndre Posts: 762 Crazy Baller
    Could this mode affect release or protection of the Achilles, yes,no same thing ?
    Snapped mine on a '' late release '' of my black cuff Reflex and don't want it to happen again...
  • OldboyIIOldboyII Posts: 446 Baller
    edited July 2017
    @AdamCord It is widely discussed question in alpine skiing: how far forward we should lean boot cuff.
    There is a consensus opinion that cuff leaned too forward produces an opposite effect - it loads tail of the ski at the moment when you need to straighten your legs or stay tall. It is also more difficult to load ski tip in the boot inclined too forward.
  • AdamCordAdamCord Posts: 535 Open or 55K Rated Skier
    @Andre good question. To me it feels safer like this because my ankle can put a lot of pressure on the boot without overflexing my ankle.

    @OldboyII interesting. I did try further forward and did not like it. There is still a soft liner plus some flex in the plastic so it's not like a cast. It does let me get away with falling to the tail more that's for sure.

  • GarGar Posts: 196 Baller
    Wow looks so different!
  • OldboyIIOldboyII Posts: 446 Baller
    Supershel 2.0 has this stoper out of the box

  • cacmancacman Posts: 62 Baller
    I have that exact model. The stoppers are not tall enough. They should make two or three different ones they could sale.
    spicolijedgell
  • cacmancacman Posts: 62 Baller
    I have fabricated some taller ones and they are working much better. I just don't have the abilities to make them as nice as the short ones that came with boot.
  • PurdueSkierPurdueSkier Posts: 135 Baller
    @cacman glad to hear new stops are working better. No more excuses!
  • cacmancacman Posts: 62 Baller
    Hey @Stevepops do you know what material he used for that stopper. Looks a lot better then what I did.
  • OldboyIIOldboyII Posts: 446 Baller
    cacman would you forgive me if I ask short question in your thread (do not want to create short threads)
    Does anybody knows - Is it possible to use Supershel on standard (same size 8) reflex plate with single horseshoe and w/o heel piece.
    Want to try friends new ski with this plate and I can borrow Supershell from another friend ))
    Gardndj
  • StevePopsStevePops Posts: 8 Baller
    edited July 2017
    @cacman I bought a hard plastic cutting board in an italian store and Thomas heated it over the stove, and bended it a bit, so it would follow the curve of the boot. Then we sawed out the right size.
    eleeskislow
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