Too late in life to do a deep water with both feet in? Thoughts? Tips?

TdubTdub Posts: 226 Baller
OK, not on my death bed quite yet but at 67 I am pretty set in my slalom ways. I have always done my deep waters dragging one leg but I find lately that I seem to be having more issues. Being pulled out the front and stressing my hamstring being one of many. My two sons have always tried to convince me to switch to both feet in. They can't imagine dragging one. I tried both feet in a few times and it just seemed impossible...and I have been skiing close to 50 years. Should I try to change? Any advice will be appreciated.


  • Stevie BoyStevie Boy Posts: 1,745 ★★★Triple Panda Award Recipient ★★★
    edited June 2017
    Get a couple of old skis and weight the tail end, spray the front end with luminous paint, use them as drop skis either end of the lake.
    Two Feet in requires more effort than dragging one leg.
    Keep It Simples B)

    "Keep Moving On & Off The Water”

  • RazorRoss3RazorRoss3 Posts: 1,321 Mega Baller
    Before you try and change I would try to do more stretching and strengthening on off days/in the off season. The one leg get up is much easier on you back because the ski is more angled in the water vs a two foot get up where the ski is more vertical. A short term option would be a two ski get up and drop 1, something you could try in order to avoid that would be to simply try to keep your knee to your chest, tucked in your ball longer before standing up.
  • Chef23Chef23 Posts: 5,657 Mega Baller
    I agree with @Horton on this. What are you skiing on now?
    Mark Shaffer
  • dbutcherdbutcher Posts: 292 Solid Baller
    I'm 73, and probably no one is more set in their slalom ways than I. I used a rear toe piece and drug my back leg for years. I switched to double boots after my back foot came out going through the gates at Nationals some years ago. Dragging the back leg was always much easier for me. I prefer it to this day even though I don't do it anymore. If you have developed issues getting up with one foot out, you have changed something in the way you get up. Perhaps you are no longer keeping your ski in front of you with your knee bent. Hamstrings get stressed when your upper body goes forward while your leg is locked straight. Keeping your ski leg in your chest (knee has to be bent) should prevent you from being pulled out the front as long as the ski tip stays above the water. If you continue to have problems, it is not impossible to switch to getting up with both feet in. It may take a while to get comfortable, but you can do it.
  • AjskierAjskier Posts: 91 Baller
    Hey @Tdub, I think I might have an idea for you. Let's get out and ski this weekend and I can show you. The weekend weather looks like we are finally going to get some relief from the wind. Give me a shout and we can figure out a time to go out.
  • OldboyIIOldboyII Posts: 542 Solid Baller
    May be it is worth trying to learn 2-footed start with "easy-up handle"?
  • HortonHorton Posts: 25,801 Administrator
    @OldboyII Not sure how that helps. He just needs more surface under his feet.

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  • AndreAndre Posts: 987 Crazy Baller
    Thinking about it, you only need a second widerstarter ski for a few feet if you're still athletic enough to slalom on one.
    Dreaming of an anchored \ bungee tied\bouy tied short fat ski with easy in and out binding...
    Get up on two for quick planning within 10-15 feet then drop.Ski is always in the same spot
    just drop beside it,put in back on and repeat each end.
    Easier on private site.
    Ok, i'll shut up now...
  • UWSkierUWSkier Posts: 904 Mega Baller
    1. Stretch hamstrings daily for a couple weeks
    2. Remember to let your knee come up into your chest at "go boat."
    3. Have your driver pull you up a little less aggressively

    If you are going to make the switch to two foot starts, keep knees as close together as possible and try to sit on your back heel. Butt low, stand slow.

    A bigger ski would definitely help, even if only for a while until you master the starts.
  • ALPJrALPJr Posts: 1,635 Crazy Baller
    edited June 2017
    I agree with @Horton on a wider platform. I just moved back to a 68" from a brief go on a 67". It's amazing what a 16th of an inch does.
  • TdubTdub Posts: 226 Baller
    Thanks to all. I just received a new ski. HO Superlite CX. A bit wider. That should help a bit. I need to keep that knee to my chest as stated above. @ajskier...we will do that.
  • Chef23Chef23 Posts: 5,657 Mega Baller
    I don't think the CX is much wider in the HO line the TX is wider. The CX is a great ski though.
    Mark Shaffer
  • Razorskier1Razorskier1 Posts: 3,425 Mega Baller
    I've tried it a few times just to see if I can get up. I can, but boy it doesn't feel good. My advice - do yoga for a few months before trying two-feet in!
    Jim Ross
  • slvrbulitslvrbulit Posts: 173 Baller
    @Tdub I switched last year to 2 boots due to groin and hamstrings issues. It was pretty easy to do, and also switched from being dragged to a hard and fast pull up. As soon as you feel the water pushing you up I just dig the rear heel down and bam there you are up and standing. Try taking off with your rear foot in the toe strap a few times and a harder pull up.
  • JmoskiJmoski Posts: 257 Baller
    A few thoughts on starting with both feet in:

    1. Before the boat goes, lean to the left if your LFF - or right if your RFF. The boat will straighten you out naturally on take off. This will eliminate the wobbling from trying to maintain a dead neutral vertical position.
    2. Suck your rear foot under your butt - this helps get the ski at a 30 degree angle to the surface and will rise up easier
    3. As others said keep your chest over the front knee, and when the boat goes I push a bit and hold that position until the ski planes.

    By pushing forward a bit with the front foot you in effect create a pocket by diverting the water around you which reduces drag.

    Often times my starts feel almost effortless - of course that could be because my wife is an awesome driver...

    I started dragging as a teen, once I switched in my late 30's I never went back!

    Good luck.

  • spicolispicoli Posts: 121 Baller
    I went to a coast guard approved vest that's if your in a tournament vest extra flotation really helped
  • So_I_SkiSo_I_Ski Posts: 84 Baller
    Something I have found that most skiers are taught which is a mistake is to keep your arms straight. When your arms are straight, the only part of your body that can give to the pull of the boat is your back so you get pulled over onto your face. There is lots of strength in your biceps so bend your arms, tuck your knee into your chest and when the boat starts pulling, you can let some line out with your biceps. Maybe that will help.
  • JordanJordan Posts: 1,027 ★★★Triple Panda Award Recipient ★★★
    edited July 2017
    When I was teaching my kids I found that both were helped by getting their front toes up near the surface of the water.
    Having enough ski out of the water caused them to roll on top of the water as the boat pulled them forward rather than plowing through the water.
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