EP qualifications for Nationals

sunperchsunperch Posts: 212 Solid Baller
Does anybody know the details of the qualifications for Nationals for next year? Heard multiple reports at Nationals that it was going back to the EP standards.


  • eleeskieleeski Posts: 3,660 MM Trick Skier / Eccentric Person
    If I understand what was explained to me at the general meeting, everything is the same (level 7? 6? 8? to qualify - I don't remember which level) except the cutoff date moved to much earlier. I can't remember if it's just after Nationals or the start of the year. Plenty of time to plan. If you're not in, plenty of time to improve to qualify. Like the EP but it keeping the features of the current system. It's not being called an EP - yet. The changes passed so it will happen. I like it!

  • PurdueSkierPurdueSkier Posts: 152 Baller
    So with an earlier cut off are we still using the 12 month ranking? So most of the 2017 scores will already qualify to 2018 nationals?
  • eleeskieleeski Posts: 3,660 MM Trick Skier / Eccentric Person
    Yes, as I heard. So get your tickets to Kansas now.

  • MarcoMarco Posts: 1,407 Crazy Baller
    Sweet. Driving to Laku for regionals and driving to Kansas for Nats!
  • sunperchsunperch Posts: 212 Solid Baller
    @eleesk So does that mean that you still only need one score above the COA after the COD to qualify?
    Anyone have the new COD?
  • LeonLLeonL Posts: 2,259 Crazy Baller
    So only one score above COA? Old EP system required 2 scores at Class C.
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  • klindyklindy Posts: 2,120 Mega Baller
    @LeonL you are correct. I brought this up at the board meeting and it was understood but considered less important than the effort to change the query which looks for one (vs two) scores. So the database queries are identical with the date pegged at August 17, 2017 instead of 3 weeks before the start of Nationals.
    Keith Lindemulder
    AWSA Vice President
  • John BrooksJohn Brooks Posts: 307 Crazy Baller
    I couldn't agree more with @GK , this is a great change as is the ZBS. I feel these type changes make the sport more appealing to a larger audience.
  • klindyklindy Posts: 2,120 Mega Baller
    @Jody_Seal what is it that you "dislike" in my post?
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    AWSA Vice President
  • animalanimal Posts: 89 Baller
    So no requirement to ski at Regionals?
  • eleeskieleeski Posts: 3,660 MM Trick Skier / Eccentric Person
    My understanding is that unless you are in Open, you must still ski Regionals.

  • klindyklindy Posts: 2,120 Mega Baller
    @animal the Regional requirement has not changed.
    Keith Lindemulder
    AWSA Vice President
  • klindyklindy Posts: 2,120 Mega Baller
    I agree @Chad_Scott I have been part of the discussion therefore relaying information. I think there are good arguments on both sides. That said, there are a LOT of little details that haven't been thought thru nearly well enough even if you fully support it. Sorting this stuff out on the fly will be difficult at best.
    Keith Lindemulder
    AWSA Vice President
  • skidawgskidawg Posts: 3,180 Open or 55K Rated Skier
    Get your entry in OB, there are 9 spots left that have a free beer voucher.
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  • JeffSurdejJeffSurdej Posts: 388 USAWS Official
    @Chad_Scott I think your request to allow MM to skip regionals is legit considering the new L10. It has not been discussed yet but will be at rules this November. Regardless of which side of L10 one is on there is no doubt we need to make moves to make those division elite and create an atmosphere where skiers want to be in MM and Open, currently we are very far from that so if allowing MM to skip regionals is a reward for your talent and will help push MM skiers to ski MM, I'm all for that.
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  • Than_BoganThan_Bogan Posts: 6,054 Mega Baller
    Is it intentional/desirable that Nationals qualification is becoming much easier? The entire time the EP was in effect while I was in M3, it was 1.5 @ -38, which of course had to be done twice.

    If I'm reading everything correctly, and the rankings list doesn't appreciably change between today and tomorrow, M3 will require 6 @ -32 to qualify -- i.e. more than a full pass easier than it was 5-10 years ago.

    Perhaps that's a good thing, but it seems like a really big change?
    Nathaniel Bogan -- GUT Padawan
  • MattPMattP Posts: 5,973 Mega Baller
    edited August 2017
    @Than_Bogan M3 is a much different division now than it was 10 years ago.. who cares what the score is. IF someone wants to spend the time and money why should we stop them. I'm sure the sponsors would rather have it that way. I'm all for letting anyone ski Nats who wants to commit and pay. All we ever here is that Nats is shrinking that entries are down. Simple fix.
  • eleeskieleeski Posts: 3,660 MM Trick Skier / Eccentric Person
    @Chad_Scott The Open exemption comes from the old days when there was a very active pro circuit. Cutting out so many tournament opportunities at prime season for the pros was worth losing them at Regionals. I wasn't an official at the time but that was the reasoning given to me as to why we didn't get to see the big names at Regionals. Doesn't really apply anymore and not for MM.

    However, I am a firm believer that elite skiers should be given proper respect and perks. If you think skipping Regionals is desirable for you, you have earned it. Still, it's fun to be able to watch the best.

    @Than_Bogan M3 performances have declined since the heyday. I remember 40+ M3 at our Regionals, this year it was 11 or 12. Sigh...

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