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2018 Radar Vapor Review

HortonHorton Posts: 25,545 Administrator
edited August 2017 in Reviews

To quote Brooks Wilson, “The only thing that stayed the same is the name”. The 2018 Vapor is an entirely new ski design from Radar and the third major redesign of the Vapor.

18Vapor

The first generation of Vapor (2014-2015) was appropriately compared to Italian sports cars. It was fast and provided extreme performance to the skier who could handle it. The second generation of Vapor (2016-2017) had all of the performance of the previous version but with much more sophistication and polish. The new 2018 version has at least as much performance of the previous versions with an additional level of refinement.

General Feel:
The ski turns effortlessly and makes as much speed as any ski on the market but perhaps the most important attribute of the new Vapor is balance. This ski makes it easy for the skier to keep flowing in the right direction.

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Ball to the wakes:
From the ball to the wakes, the 2018 Vapor holds angle and creates speed with surprising little skier effort. Part of this is the result of the ski carrying substantial speed through the turn. Skiers may find that they can take more passes per ride with less fatigue on the new Vapor. The lack of strength required is one of many factors that translates into more overall control and calm skiing.

Wakes to the ball:
Gaining width on the course is practically automatic. The ski flows out from the center of the course quickly and rolls up on edge at a rate that will surprise you the first time you feel it. This contributes to a tip down attitude approaching the ball. These same attributes also come into play after apex and result in more speed after the ball.

Off Side:
The inherent balance of the ski makes it easy for the skier to stay centered on both feet and flow through the turn. When the skier starts to initiate the turn, the ski quickly carves a tight arc and heads toward the wakes with surprising speed.

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During the review period, ski adjustments were focused on getting the Off Side turn right. My personal technique flaws required me to tune the ski so it would not overturn Off Side. Once the fin and bindings were set for Off Side, I put the tools away and just skied.

On Side:
On Side turns on the Vapor are basically fool proof and automatic. Provided that the skier does not do anything frightfully stupid, the ski is going to turn when it is asked and create plenty of angle. Previous generations of the Vapor required more front foot pressure to turn On Side. Skiers should always strive to be forward at On Side, but this ski will forgive you more then most if you do not.

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Quirks:
One of my personal skiing flaws is that I rotate my shoulders more than I should, and I push into the exit of Off Side. The stock “long shallow” settings are perhaps superior to “short deep” for some skiers, but the ski worked much better for me with “short deep” settings.

18Vapor 6

Conclusion:
The 2018 Radar Vapor is a ski that just works. The 2016-2017 Vapor was a classic, and the 2018 Vapor is even better.

Official Radar settings https://www.radarskis.com/finsettings/

Final Review Settings 29 15/16th /.776 / 2.507 / 6.863 / 9

 

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Comments

  • Than_BoganThan_Bogan Posts: 6,041 Mega Baller
    edited August 2017
    Considering how much time obviously goes into each of these, I just want to say again that I really enjoy them and appreciate the effort!
    Nathaniel Bogan -- GUT Padawan
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  • skidawgskidawg Posts: 3,168 Open or 55K Rated Skier
    You left out the part where you cried when you had to take your boots off for another test subject.!!!!!
    Mr. Mom is Horton's favorite movie!
    MattPDeanoski
  • HortonHorton Posts: 25,545 Administrator
    edited August 2017
    @skidawg taking my binings off was a bummer but not nearly as bad as seeing @Rico put his bindings on it. I actually feel bad for that beautiful ski knowing the terrible things he's going to do on it

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  • MattPMattP Posts: 5,973 Mega Baller
    @Horton and all the 5 ball scores he is going to be putting up on it?!

    I have been really looking forward to this review. I can't wait to get my bindings on one.
    Than_Boganelrh2oSkiJunkie
  • JGrayJGray Posts: 63 Baller
    @Horton Curious on your impressions and pro/cons of the two different fin and binding settings they are showing on their site. I am ridding a 67" 2018 Vapor and loving it. Was hit and miss running 35 on my previous D3, and after a handful of sets on the Vapor I have run 35' the last two. Took a look at 38', but just don't have the full out comfort level I did on my old ski to do much with it yet but getting there. I am on the long and shallow settings (Brooks set it up a Nationals for me) and bindings at 30 1/8. I tried the bindings back a bit as it was searching some out of course but struggled on my harder passes, so living with the searching for now until I can find something I need to change while running buoys.
  • Ed_JohnsonEd_Johnson Posts: 1,843
    @Bruce_Butterfield ... I'm getting ready to try a 68". Do you mind sharing the short/deep settings you used and binding location. Thanks !!!
    Loving the Reflex Supershell with R Style Rear !!!
  • Razorskier1Razorskier1 Posts: 3,425 Mega Baller
    Like @Bruce_Butterfield - I tend to do better historically with shorter and deeper fins. I also do better with "C" settings than "A" settings on ZO. Think it has something to do with being a bigger guy and, perhaps, pushing on the tail of the ski too hard.
    Jim Ross
  • JGrayJGray Posts: 63 Baller
    @Bruce_Butterfield and @Razorskier1 thanks for the responses and I hear you there and will give short and deep a try this weekend when I have time to do a short set on one and short on another to back to back feel them. I was honestly surprised at how well the long shallow worked for me. But yes I am also a "C" settings skier, and really my biggest gotcha is when I get to 35 or 38 is pushing on the tail and finding myself face down in the water at the ball. I know I shouldn't do that but you don't realize your doing it until you are not longer attached to the handle. But if I keep from doing it, it really rewards me!

    Question for both when trying the various settings did you move the bindings too? Shows decent placement difference on their website.
  • Bruce_ButterfieldBruce_Butterfield Posts: 1,310 Mega Baller
    I'm at 30 5/8"
    2.500
    0.77
    6.830

    I plan to try bindings fwd 1/8 as my first adjustment outside of long/shallow. I've only had 4 sets so far.

    For the speed control........I used C1 for years, but after playing with trick mode, i realized just how hard and soon the boat was hitting me before I completed the turn and i was scrambling to finish. I switched to A3 and it allows me more time to complete and hook up before the throttle comes on. Not as good as trick mode, but better than C.
    If it was easy, they would call it wakeboarding.
    Ed_Johnson303Skier
  • coach3coach3 Posts: 23 Baller
    Has anyone tried 8 deg for 34 mph skiers?
  • 6balls6balls Posts: 4,869 ★★★Triple Panda Award Recipient ★★★
    @coach3 try it. Easiest adjust to try and go back to where u were with little hassle.
    Played with lots of Wing on my 2016 Vapor n liked it.
    Dave Ross--die cancer die
  • HortonHorton Posts: 25,545 Administrator
    I run 9 on almost every ski but honestly 7-11 whatever works....

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  • JGrayJGray Posts: 63 Baller
    Tried the short and deep setting finally, and it does seem to fit me a bit better I think. Only have a few sets on it and then apparently my back decided I had skied enough so need some time off. But first set ran 28, b2b 32's and 35 on my first attempt and that was in a pretty tough wind. I did like the long and shallow and felt it was less effort, just didn't allow me as much opportunity to scramble and recover. The short and deep seems to allow for more of that, but still retains the basic feel and awesomeness of the ski.
  • Mateo_VargasMateo_Vargas Posts: 801 ★★★Triple Panda Award Recipient ★★★
    @aupatking I thought you were having eye problems because you don't see yourself going to work.
    Success is failure that just hasn't happened yet
    aupatkingDeanoski
  • aupatkingaupatking Posts: 1,040 Mega Baller
    Out of office response queued, due to sickness. Office time likely to be limited (limited to fin adjustment).

    schaferBill22
  • ZmanZman Posts: 1,208 Crazy Baller
    @aupatking When you bringing that stick to Citronelle? Or, do I have to come there to try it out?
  • aupatkingaupatking Posts: 1,040 Mega Baller
    How many sets do you put in on a new ski before making fin adjustments? I can feel this ski do some awesome stuff, but my offside is just not quite there. I want to take a few more sets where it is, to really get a feel for it, but everything I read, people are going short and deep, or at least shorter and deeper than stock. I know it's the Indian, not the arrow, so I don't want to rush the adjustment.
    It let me do some awful stuff, and still run my normal passes though. This thing is special. @Zman I want to come ride with you guys up there soon, but any time you're in my area, we'll take a set or two
  • markchilcuttmarkchilcutt Posts: 881 Crazy Baller
    @aupatking what size is your ski and what are your current settings?
    Ski it if you can!!!!
  • aupatkingaupatking Posts: 1,040 Mega Baller
    68 6.975 2.450 0.770 @markchilcutt , Radars stock Long/Shallow numbers
  • HortonHorton Posts: 25,545 Administrator
    @aupatking try my settings

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  • UWSkierUWSkier Posts: 878 Mega Baller
    @aupatking what specifically about your offside? I've been helping a ski buddy dial his in this week and he is finding forward of recommended is better with the bindings, not unlike the 16-17 shape tended to be. 34 MPH skier.
  • aupatkingaupatking Posts: 1,040 Mega Baller
    @Horton you always demo the 67's. For a 68' you think boot still 3/16 back?
  • aupatkingaupatking Posts: 1,040 Mega Baller
    edited September 2017
    Only one set at dark with no video so, I'm not exactly sure what I was doing @UWSkier. My standard is to rush my offside, turn my shoulders in, basically everything @Horton said he does. I didn't like the short/deep settings on the 16/17, so I set it up at long/shallow. It was closest to that out of the box anyway, but different skis like different setups. @mbabiash liked the short/deep on the 17. Maybe we'll like the same numbers on the 18
  • mbabiashmbabiash Posts: 396 Solid Baller
    The best settings I've used came from @ColeGiacopuzzi
    2.510
    .780
    6.840
    30.5
    Really good on both sides.
  • HortonHorton Posts: 25,545 Administrator
    @aupatking just add 1/2 forward of my setting for 68.

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  • ColeGiacopuzziColeGiacopuzzi Posts: 377 Open or 55K Rated Skier
    edited September 2017
    I'd recommend starting here and see how it feels. These are Stock deep and short, different feel from long and shallow give them a try!

    65"
    29"
    6.840
    2.510
    .765
    9

    66"
    29 1/2
    6.840
    2.510
    .770
    9

    67"
    30
    6.840
    2.510
    .775
    9

    68"
    30 1/2
    6.840
    2.510
    .780
    9
    Cole Giacopuzzi • Radar Skis
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  • markchilcuttmarkchilcutt Posts: 881 Crazy Baller
    @aupatking I am a 34 mph on a 67 running -35 on good days and loving the following numbers. Numbers straight from Rossi. Not saying these will be the best fit for you but I am blown away with this ski at these settings!
    30.125
    2.45
    6.98
    0.785
    9
    Ski it if you can!!!!
  • BdeckerBdecker Posts: 252 Solid Baller
    Very happy with mine at the stock settings, but I am curious if I should experiment with short and deep. Occasionally, I am getting a slight stall out of my offside turn (2/4). When it happens and I am patient, I'm back in the pass without an issue.

    Fantastic ski, now owns my practice PB and it is giving me more legit cracks at purple than I can ever remember.
    davemacschaferacmxh2oSkiJunkie
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