SCREW SIZE FOR BINDINGS

I am having a difficult time with the size of screw for my 2016 HO V TYPE R.Are most of the inserts now a 10-32 screw that needs to be used and if so what is the length???It seems some of the inserts are different size and won't take a screw.Any info would be appreciated..............thx
Ron Engblom Brainerd lakes,minnesota

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  • BraceMakerBraceMaker Posts: 1,821 Crazy Baller



  • DekeDeke Posts: 321 Baller
    @bananaron I think @BraceMaker is trying to tell you that your inserts are probably stripped.
  • bananaronbananaron Posts: 75 Baller
    Brand new ski what is the size of screw and length??
    Ron Engblom Brainerd lakes,minnesota
  • HortonHorton Posts: 23,558 Administrator
    edited September 1
    8 32 NOT 10 33 for the standard holes. I have no idea about the direct connect holes

    Length really depends on if using donuts on the top or washer's or whatever. When in doubt I was use a slightly shorter screw.

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  • B_SB_S Posts: 165 Solid Baller
    edited September 1
    Some inserts are recessed by up to 1/4", which makes many of the screws which come with bindings too short to even reach a thread. That happened to me recently. A tap doesn't help that situation.
    Horton
  • bananaronbananaron Posts: 75 Baller
    Just got email from HO they say the new inserts take 10-32.I guess I will buy the hardware store out and having several options.
    Ron Engblom Brainerd lakes,minnesota
  • BraceMakerBraceMaker Posts: 1,821 Crazy Baller
    Yes so if the screws start in some and not all some inserts are gunked up. Length depends on the plate thickness, the foam underpad and if you use washers.

    Thread the screw in and it shouldn't bottom out without the plate to be safe.

    Screws reach maximum strength in the thickness of a standard nut so for 10-32 that's about 4 threads of engagement. So length is safe 1/4 to 1/2 if long add washers. Or chop em shorter with a wire stripper.

  • KelvinKelvin Posts: 945 Crazy Baller
    Buy some 8-32 while you are at the hardware store. That is what fits my VTX.
    Kelvin Kelm, Lakes of Katy, Katy Texas
  • B_SB_S Posts: 165 Solid Baller
    @Horton what is it that you disagree with my post? The screws which came with my boots fit my old ski just fine, because the threads of the inserts began just below the ski top. I couldn't even get a single thread started using them in my new ski because it uses a different type if thread insert where the threads are recessed about .25". Had to run out and buy longer screws.
  • skialexskialex Posts: 587 Solid Baller
    HO inserts are not sighted like on most skis, 8.32 is the size, the usual length for countersunks is 5/8" and 1/2" for flat screws. On some inserts these screws hit the bottom before the plate is tightly screwed on the ski (not a bad thing in my opinion).
    If you are not comfortable with that you can use 1/2" countersunks or add flat washers to compensate for screw length.
    Alex,
  • skialexskialex Posts: 587 Solid Baller
    @BraceMaker I always carry a 8-32 Tap in my tool bag and a lot of new 8-32 screws different styles and lengths! B)
  • HortonHorton Posts: 23,558 Administrator
    @B_S if your inserts are quarter inch below top deck something is very wrong.

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  • skialexskialex Posts: 587 Solid Baller
    @eleeski the recent HO inserts are brass blocks put in while building the ski, not threaded inserts put after and held by the core and top sheet. A friend had an issue with a broken tap inside a VTR's insert, that's how I know.
    1/2" pan heads is what I use, but it is also common to use countersunks with aluminum washers in order not to hurt the plate's alloy. When ordering screws 5/8" is the same length as 1/2" pan head.
    They measure the length including the head whereas with pan heads they measure only the threads. So 1/2" countersunks are shorter than 1/2" pan heads.
    I don't use alloy plates though.
    Alex
    eleeski
  • skialexskialex Posts: 587 Solid Baller

    500 pieces 1/2" pan heads B)
  • eleeskieleeski Posts: 3,044 MM Trick Skier / Eccentric Person
    @skialex Brass blocks molded in? Interesting. I'm not sure I could make that work but HO might be able to. Use the anti seize because replacement might be a problem. Or re tap to 10-32.

    I trust those screws are stainless. Only use stainless on ski hardware. Flathead (stainless) screws with a countersunk washer (or a Gatorade lid) work well too.

    Good information. Thanks. I'll be ready if I have to fix a HO ski now.

    Eric
  • skialexskialex Posts: 587 Solid Baller
    @eleeski I did not understand, (Greek),1/4 inch recessed is huge, I meant only a little play in the washer when screw is tight, is not a bad thing.
    I couldn't drill the broken tap out and slowly after a lot of trying things I cut around the tap, rethreaded the brass block and installed a new threaded insert. First and last time doing this, I had to go slow and cool down the brass all the time, took for ever.
    Alex
  • B_SB_S Posts: 165 Solid Baller
    @Horton and @eleeski this picture should help. The inserts are flush with the top, but they are a different type which use a socket head above the threads so they can be inserted using a Allen wrench. Upon closer inspection, the threads are about 3mm or 1/8" below the surface. Still, the standard 1/2" pan heads are too short to catch even 1 thread. It's just the way it's designed, and it works perfectly fine, but longer screws are needed.
    eleeski
  • eleeskieleeski Posts: 3,044 MM Trick Skier / Eccentric Person
    @B_S More weirdness. But you are right. Still another insert that doesn't fit my personal needs.

    Eric
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