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Conditions at Worlds

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  • scotty_alzscotty_alz Posts: 17 Baller
    Not sure what crowds or spectators were like but if you look at scores for finals they put up big scores and everyone Down to 9th place in the finals ran 38. Freddie ran 39 sounds like a pro tournament to me. Anywhere you ski in September you have to imagine conditions may be variable. If you want to grow this sport stop complaining and go out and ski put up the best score you can today and be happy with it. This is how we moved from public lakes with spectators. To a Sport only a few can afford ski schools boats equipment and then you must know somebody or have a private lake with trees and a gate to keep out the public or Wally skiers. Why do you think the boardstock in 06 never happened again the skiers probably didnt ski to there level or it was to rolly not enough prize money for bad conditions. I'm sure the excuses keep going but In 06 that was every big name in slalom hanging out at a wakeboard event getting exposure and showing people that don't ski what a course is. No conditions at worlds weren't ideal maybe a few more pros should have watched conditions in France over the last two years and trained in more wind. From the sounds of it the lake wasnt dug last month. In any other sport they would call that unprepared or underpracticed we call it a lake the event never should have never skied on. We sound like Shaun white after losing the olympics in Russia. When you train in perfect conditions daily it's hard when you have to come down to everyone else's level and ski in crap. Kinda funny how rookies or people with less experience won there events. I.e. Freddie winter neilly Ross. congrats to everyone that's happy with there worlds performance. Everyone else you got two years to learn how to ski In Rollers and wind.
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  • John BrooksJohn Brooks Posts: 362 Crazy Baller
    I'm thinking about some of the big name golf tournaments, where they adjust conditions to make the courses more difficult, such as the US Open. They seem to adjust the length of the grass in the rough and on the greens, add to that difficult pin placements and then of course the uncontrollable elements of wind, rain, ect..

    Do any of you think there is any contrast to this and the challenges of tough conditions at a waterski tournament?

    I certainly enjoy skiers running short line slalom passes, but I more enjoy the unpredictable nature of tough conditions, the uncertain outcomes and looking to athletes to manage the situation. I realize they all train hard for these events, but it seems they need to also consider adjusting their training to account for a variety of conditions. I think it is good to see less than perfect water conditions and see who can adapt.
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  • LLUSALLUSA Posts: 274 Crazy Baller
    @Eric Francois there were no other bids, the amount of money and requirements IWWF requires eliminates a lot of sites. I know first hand ie. the World Games is very expensive and it weren't for the city of Birmingham paying for everything we wouldn't be doing it
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  • jcampjcamp Posts: 784 Mega Baller
    The conditions are theoretically the same for all skiers so it is a far contest. The best skiers will prevail on the day.
    After seeing the scores from this tournament I'd probably change my vote. I think we are lucky that Worlds still draws an elite field considering there is no cash prize offered. If we want the top skiers to continue to come to Worlds, then we owe it to them to at least offer conditions that won't leave two years worth of training and sacrifice up to random chance (i.e., will I or won't I hit a role at two ball?).
  • gsm_petergsm_peter Posts: 747 Crazy Baller
    According to my knowledge.
    -The site is a rowing stadium.
    -There was only one bidder for the competition.
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  • DragoDrago Posts: 1,568 Mega Baller
    The conditions are theoretically the same for all skiers so it is a far contest. The best skiers will prevail on the day.
    Wait! I change my vote to a write-in: The prize money is ridiculous and it is an insult to the skiers
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  • ToddFToddF Posts: 544 Baller
    • I guess the PGA should move the British open. random gusts of wind
    • Take Eugene out of the US nationals and Olympic trials. It randomly gets rainy and windy
    • Cancel December games at Lambeau. It gets randomly gets cold and snowy
    • And heaven forbid move Wimbledon to an indoor facility. it randomly rains and gets muddy.
    Did they do a good job of hosting the event? Was it well run? I haven't heard anything regarding that matter, was it spectator friendly? Did people show up to watch?

    What do we want? spectators and fun events to promote the sport, or ideal conditions?
    Sometimes we get both sometimes we don't.

    Should Worlds first and foremost should be an event to garner and promote interest in the sport?
    or
    Should Worlds first and foremost be an event for ideal conditions?
    I guess figure that one out first before you pick a location.

    By the way! Great job to all competitors for winning the now infamous 2017 world championships and now being crowned the toughest skiers on the planet.





  • ISP6ballISP6ball Posts: 175 Baller
    The conditions are ridiculous and it is an insult to the skiers.
    It's more like taking a professional bowling tournament, and deciding to put random bumps in the lanes at the last minute...... :)
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  • HortonHorton Posts: 27,614 Administrator
    The conditions are ridiculous and it is an insult to the skiers.
    Would it be fair if the water conditions were perfect and there was no wind but the drivers had four or five beers before they got in the driver seat?
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  • keithh2oskierkeithh2oskier Posts: 527 Crazy Baller
    The conditions are theoretically the same for all skiers so it is a far contest. The best skiers will prevail on the day.
    Seems everyone is focused on the rollers and how its not fair that some skiers get it and some don't (or worse or different spots). Is it an issue with the drivers giving longer wait times between passed to some skiers as opposed to others?

    In my opinion the lake will give fixed rollers at a certain point. My site does it at one ball because of shore erosion. You always get them unless you wait. Unless the shore is eroding throughout the day or there is something else causing the rollers it theoretically would be about the same for every skier.

    I am not saying it wouldn't suck to go down on your opener or -35 for Nate but I still don't see how everyone else didn't ski in essentially the same conditions unless there was favoritism to certain athletes to allow for the conditions to be slightly better.

    I am sure folks have skied in an event before you were impacted one way or another due to the placement in the running order. Maybe the glare hit you because you skier early in the round. Maybe the wind picks up right after your ski ride. Is that fair?
  • MillerTime38MillerTime38 Posts: 343 Crazy Baller
    The conditions are theoretically the same for all skiers so it is a far contest. The best skiers will prevail on the day.
    @Horton that would not be fair, I am a way better driver after 5 beers
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  • ozskiozski Posts: 1,651
    So now we are working our way towards some common ground with the beer which should be distributed to the skiers and drivers if conditions are deemed to be sub standard.
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  • The conditions are ridiculous and it is an insult to the skiers.
    Totally agree that skiers deserve better conditions but in the end they need to adapt to the weather and site conditions and do their best to win. Conditions were bad,however Nate (as he stated) missed the handle in the final and Manon's fall, to me, it looked like a pre-release of the binding (I have seen it happening many times - I am using the same binding system for the last 5 years and fortunately had never experienced a pre-release)
  • BraceMakerBraceMaker Posts: 3,708 Mega Baller
    edited September 2017
    The conditions are theoretically the same for all skiers so it is a far contest. The best skiers will prevail on the day.
    If only there were a nice portable wave elimination device... So many cities have nice sized rowing sites that would be great sites. Obviously Milwaukee.

    Chicago has Lincoln Park lagoon

    Grand River etc.

  • NandoNando Posts: 510 Crazy Baller
    The conditions are ridiculous and it is an insult to the skiers.
    For what's supposed to be the most prestigious tournament in the world (maybe after the Masters, and maybe after Moomba, both of which don't have the greatest conditions), a suitable site should be a requirement. So, for a curious guy from South Canada, just how cold was it? Regina looks like it's the middle of winter in her interview...
  • dbresseldbressel Posts: 36 Baller
    The conditions are theoretically the same for all skiers so it is a far contest. The best skiers will prevail on the day.
    I guess it is fair for all competitors; but I would like to see a snow ski downhill event held in 85 to 90 degree weather, perhaps the skiers will put on bathing suits before their event and then put on their snow ski gear.
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