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Upgrade ski or binding

The season is wrapping up here in Canada and I'm contemplating an equipment upgrade. I'm working towards 15 off 34 mph, currently on a 2015 radar senate with double vectors.

Thinking about switching to a front vapor or keep saving for a new ski. Any thoughts on which to switch out first?


  • dvskierdvskier Posts: 300 Solid Baller
    Profile front boot and HRTP is a good combo. Not hard on the wallet either.
  • RluthiRluthi Posts: 11 Baller
    Look on ski it again you might be able to afford both
  • WayneWayne Posts: 420 Baller
    What is your goal?

    My personal experience has been that a ski upgrade can give me advancement within a set or two if the ski works for me. Binding "upgrades" can be a momentary reversal of progress as you adapt to the feeling of new bindings, but can have a bigger pay off long term.

  • DanoDano Posts: 101 Baller
    I recently went from obrien sector front to a Vapor front. It is crazy how much better the Vapor binding is. Skied better immediately, confirmed by both ski partner and buoy count.
  • Fam-manFam-man Posts: 159 Baller
    @Wayne thanks. My goal is 15 off @ 34 mph next year and shorten to 28 off in a couple years

    @Dano thanks
  • Fam-manFam-man Posts: 159 Baller
    @dvskier thanks, I've been considering the profile. The local shop has 2016 vapor on sale pricing it close to the profile, based on fit probably good idea to go vapor.
  • sunvalleylawsunvalleylaw Posts: 1,230 Mega Baller
    edited September 2017
    I know they are made by a different manufacturer, but would fit, so I would consider the D3 bindings. T-Factors or even Leverages. Both provided good performance. And Nate runs the T-Factors at his level. I personally noticed a difference in control over the edges. The ski even felt edgy at first until I got used to it. I think they would work well on the Vapor. And I just like how they are built, and how you can rebuild them if a part breaks, as opposed to the Radar style bindings. And as you know, I am right in there with you in terms of course performance. Hoping move into 22 off and at least look at 28 off next year. I set my goals kinda lofty! :)

    Leverage vs. T-Factor


    Also, I am in the camp of not planning to go hard shell. As a life long snow skier who knows about DIN settings on snow bindings, I just can't bring myself to trust the hard shell release systems. Understanding of course that weird things could possibly happen in any binding. And if a T-Factor is good enough for Nate . . .

    And I think I would do that instead of a ski for now, and keep saving for a ski after you get into 22. Motivation and all!!

    EDIT: Also, we need to support and motivate each other on this quest toward 28. @gregy has a thread he just posted a week ago or so that was very encouraging and had some good advice. I am sure you saw it. I am hoping to get a few more sets in this season, but there is a dusting of snow on the ground right now as I write this.
  • JmoskiJmoski Posts: 247 Baller
    edited September 2017
    Nice thing about upgrading to a better set of bindings first is you can use them now, and then move them over onto the new ski when your ready for that purchase.

    This way your only changing one thing at a time, which will make the transitions smoother.
  • mopowpowmopowpow Posts: 317 Baller
    If you go from a Vector to a Profile, your ski will be much more responsive. It will take a few passes to adjust, but you won't have to work as hard to roll your ski on edge. The full boots are great, they keep your gett much warmer in cold water. It is also nice to be able to heat mold the liners to your foot, they will hug your foot like a good snow ski boot. My husband skied on a Senate with Vectors a couple years ago due to an injury, when he switched to a Vapor/Vapor setup he couldn't believe the difference.
  • Fam-manFam-man Posts: 159 Baller
    @mopowpow good intel thanks for sharing
  • condorpilotcondorpilot Posts: 61 Baller
    Profile does not have removable or heat mouldable liners.
  • GlydonGlydon Posts: 224 Baller
    This may work for you He is in Canada as well that is a great deal on a good binding .
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