Dry land machine/system?

Is there any dry land slalom machine or system that I can use to train? I'm thinking for both form and strength.

It's getting late in the season here in WI and though I haven't put away the boat and ski, I'm looking at the Upcoming cold and thinking of prep for next season.

A few years ago I set up a rope in my basement to practice my "stacked" form. It worked ok but was klunky and didn't really help with the timing or transitions. I have since moved and my new basement isn't really conducive to even this.

I did a quick google search and found nothing. It seems like there would be a way to create a machine to mimic the movements for slalom and promote good form.

I thought I'd see what comes from the collective genius of BOS!!
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  • HortonHorton Posts: 25,050 Administrator
    Dry land simulator = Unicorn

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  • UWSkierUWSkier Posts: 754 Crazy Baller
    Short of making monthly trips to someplace warm to ski, there's not much I've found either. :(
  • WishWish Posts: 7,167 ★★★Triple Panda Award Recipient ★★★
    edited October 2017
    Many moons ago, my brother in-law (exercise physiologist) developed a workout specific to slalom for his graduate program and I was the test subject. Did that program all winter. Hit the water in the spring (MN) and it was like I had done nothing different then any other season. Remarkable how slalom is so hard to simulate. The one thing I have stumbled across that really hit a lot of the same muscle groups hard and is fun to do is indoor rock climbing. It's been the only thing I've found where it's about the same muscle fatigue level and you don't want to fall so you push yourself.
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  • WolfeieWolfeie Posts: 164 Baller
    I agree no exercises can replace skiing, but I found doing pull-ups daily and putting a
    handle on a heavy object and simulating pulls helps a lot in the spring.
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  • HortonHorton Posts: 25,050 Administrator
    The only time I was ever not sore when I started skiing after months away from skiing was the winter that I surfed a lot

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  • braindamagebraindamage Posts: 110 Baller
    Bummer. I have my off-season workout plan so we'll see how that goes.

    For form maybe I'll set up a rope to a tree.

    Thanks!!
  • ozskiozski Posts: 1,537
    After taking a decade out of the sport I used a rowing machine to prepare for a return to skiing, wind the resistance up and a rowing machine works similar muscle groups. Its not the same but it will build good fitness and strength.
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  • MISkierMISkier Posts: 2,084 Mega Baller
    @ozski is right. The rower does take some of the sting out of the season startup. Wouldn't hurt to add that into your program. Also, be sure to do some anerobic exercises or HIIT. Just aerobic conditioning won't quite get it all.
    The worst slalom equipment I own is between my ears.
  • Keith MenardKeith Menard Posts: 323 Crazy Baller
    picked up a water rower myself
  • 6balls6balls Posts: 4,792 ★★★Triple Panda Award Recipient ★★★
    edited October 2017
    I remember something advertised in the back of Waterski mag back in the day. Was some big, flat piece of iron at a 45 degree angle from the floor or some such with an attachment for a handle such that someone could stand feet flat on the 45 degree iron piece and lean against it in ski position. Obviously it didn't catch on...
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  • MISkierMISkier Posts: 2,084 Mega Baller
    @6balls, that was probably PerfectPull. It usually gets discussed when this topic arises. Last I recall, the original inventor was selling the patent and specs to anyone who wanted to start making them.
    The worst slalom equipment I own is between my ears.
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  • vtmechengvtmecheng Posts: 290 Baller
    Lifting helps a lot too. Deadlifts, squats, calf raises, Romanian deadlifts, shrugs, and cable seated rows should be regulars with the normal things everyone does... bench press and lat pulldowns. Beyond that, I've got nothing. We're in a seasonal sport unless you live where it stays warm.
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  • ZmanZman Posts: 1,068 Crazy Baller
    Ha, not that I promote getting injured, but my best early seasons came after the few times I had to spend the winter doing rehab. Maybe those PT guys know something ....
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  • WaterSkier12WaterSkier12 Posts: 178 Baller
    Bkreis where are you?
  • OldboyIIOldboyII Posts: 501 Baller
    Winter is a good time to take care about the rest of the body. Not only skiing muscles groups.
    MISkier
  • seveetseveet Posts: 24 Baller
    +1 for HIIT training. As I age this seems to be very effective for maintaining fitness without getting injured. I am currently working through some of the Athlean programs. I like that the workouts are different everyday.
    MISkier
  • LovellLovell Posts: 96 Baller
    The only that ever worked for me was pull ups everyday.
    Really reduced upper body soreness, hand and foreman fatigue.
    WaterSkier12
  • mrpreussmrpreuss Posts: 130 Baller
    A great thing to work on without skiing is my "transition pull ups".
    These also help with the weakest area by far among amateur skiers.
    I'll see if I can put a video together

  • igkyaigkya Posts: 442 Baller
    Farmers carry, Waiter walk, several variations of this exercise. Works multiple muscle groups related to skiing.
    andjulesDanE
  • braindamagebraindamage Posts: 110 Baller
    edited October 2017
    Transition pull-ups, like this? I couldn't do 1



  • mwetskiermwetskier Posts: 1,315 Mega Baller
    those transition pullups look like they'd be super easy for me. however i would have the bar much much lower of course.
    braindamage
  • UWSkierUWSkier Posts: 754 Crazy Baller
    Get a snowmobile, an old pair of unwaxed skis, and a ski rope and go nuts out on the ice this winter. :)
    braindamage
  • braindamagebraindamage Posts: 110 Baller
    I have a 4wd. Maybe I can mount some metal edges on an old wooden slalom ski and practice out on the ice behind it...hmmm

    I wonder if it's legal without a spotter?
  • aupatkingaupatking Posts: 986 Mega Baller
    Mount a couple boots to a skate board, hook up a rope to your wife’s bumper and follow her to the grocery store. In most cases, probably safer than riding in the car.
    One_Ski
  • vtmechengvtmecheng Posts: 290 Baller
    Just remember that proper position puts the handle to your hip during the higher loads, not out in front. If you get your muscles stronger for that position then it will be easier to keep the handle to your hips and you won't get injured as easily. Back, abs, and shoulders need lots of work for that. Doing things like deadlifts and Romanian deadlifts will help a lot and have the added bonus of increasing grip strength. Doing solid sports oriented lifting throughout the entire off-season can do wonders. When I do that it's amazing how much more I can ski per day. Everything is just easier.
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