2018 Lithium Vapor vs. 2017 Lithium Vapor

Has anyone skied the 2018 Radar Vapor Lithium. I have a 2017 lithium vapor and I would like to know it compares to the 2018.
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  • WoodySkierWoodySkier Posts: 12 Baller
    Is the 17 Lithium Vapor the same as the 16 Lithium Vapor? I heard of people going from the 16 Lithium to the 17 Pro Build and not liking it at all, but don't hear much of anything about the 17 Lithium.
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  • bigtex2011bigtex2011 Posts: 369 Crazy Baller
    I liked the 2017 pro build. It felt snappier than my 2016. I believe they are the same shape.
    coach3
  • ColeGiacopuzziColeGiacopuzzi Posts: 344 Open or 55K Rated Skier
    edited October 20
    @ryans1418 I really really liked my 17 its an awesome ski. The 18 is an all new shape, I feel it creates more space, more stable, and it finishes the turn with more speed. It also stays a lot more level through the course, and no matter where you turn on the ski it just wants to keep moving. It also rolls up on edge a lot easier and quicker, with less skier effort. Definitely go try one you won't be disappointed.
    Cole Giacopuzzi • Radar Skis
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  • rawlyrawly Posts: 438 Baller
    @ryans1418 are we talking Probuild or standard Vapor ?
  • Dacon62Dacon62 Posts: 425 Solid Baller
    edited October 21
    If I read the original post correctly the comparison is between a 2017 (prior shape) and 2018 Radar Lithium Vapor (new shape). So not the Pro build (PMI core) but the Lithium Vapor (PVC core).
  • foxriveratfoxriverat Posts: 353 Solid Baller
    @WoodySkier interesting. I heard rumblings of that myself. Sure are a lot of 2017 pro builds on SIA to back that up. Anyone know how the 2016 lithium vapor performs. Thats more in my wheelhouse $$$
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  • 6balls6balls Posts: 4,471 ★★★Triple Panda Award Recipient ★★★
    I ran a '16 thru the '16 season. Nice ski, though not my favorite. I'm still on it until I find something I like more. Ran well on it...thru 38/34 but not consistently, ran a cold off the doc 35 on it (never tried that before), ran 35/36 on it (strangely...I LOVE the ski at 36 mph--like it just came alive at 36).

    At 34 it was must more work than I like to get across and get cast to wide, particularly into 1,3,5 for me. Some fin/wing/binding adjusts helped. I run a lot of wing on it...more so than other skis running 10 to help it slow down.
    I'm a skier that moves around a bit, I find the sweet spot to be a little small for me. Sometimes I stop it on the offside right at the ball and am left wondering what happened as I sink into the water all seemed fine.

    I thought perhaps since I love it at 36 a bigger size for 34 would give me a quicker/lesss load shot across course and a bigger sweet spot...ordered a '68 Probuild and promptly broke my leg so I can't really comment on it.
    Dave Ross--die cancer die
  • scotchipmanscotchipman Posts: 3,659
    I owned and skied on the 2016 Vapor Lithium and the 2017 Vapor Lithium ProBuild...skied better on the ProBuild. I still have not tried a 2018 Vapor Lithium production ski...did ski on a 2018 prototype.
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  • HockdogHockdog Posts: 110 Baller
    Still waiting on my 18 Pro Build.......10 weeks so far...
  • gregygregy Posts: 2,362 Mega Baller
    @6balls I'm running the 16 Lithium with 8 degrees on the wing. When I try more I can't get on the front of the ski coming into the turn and end up with long drawn out turns. At 9 degrees the ski bites overturns if I get on the tip. At 10 degrees the ski is shutting down and I'm having problems getting out to the ball.
  • 6balls6balls Posts: 4,471 ★★★Triple Panda Award Recipient ★★★
    @gregy pick up and read "fin whispering". Lots cheaper than a new ski. Wing ain't the only thing if other parameters are off (bindings/fin). In over-simplified terms you will see that wing is a drag device...hot into the ball with everything else ok try a little more wing. It affects other things, too, but that is the most pronounced purpose.
    A quick wing adjust is a decent thing to try due to quick adjust and measurement...but it's not going to fix much other than if you feel hot into the ball you can add some.
    Your binding placement/fin/wing will have much more to do with rate of roll, tip bite, smear etc. I can't express how much I learned with reading Fin Whispering only to torch my leg early in the season after studying it all winter--some bad luck there. Wish I had read it years ago.
    Dave Ross--die cancer die
  • A_BA_B Posts: 3,770 Mega Baller
    If a ski feels great at 36 but so so at 34, I would think that is a fin/binding thing..
    When you go 36, the ski is flatter on the water, probably engaging the tip more.
    My thought would be to make adjustments that will create the same conditions at 34.

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  • aupatkingaupatking Posts: 770 Crazy Baller
    I was on the 17 Lithium, now on the 18 Pro Build. A lot of what Cole said, but the 18 took me a lot more setup time. The 17 was automatic, you either liked the short deep or the long shallow. Now, obviously that wasn’t the case for everyone, but it was for me. I’m happy with my skiing, very happy, but I’m still messing with my fin. Get on one with someone who can help set it up
  • gregygregy Posts: 2,362 Mega Baller
    edited October 23
    @balls I'm 170lb on a 67". I tried some different settings when I got it. I ended up about 1/4" forward with front boot of the original stock settings. I ran right up to my PB first day but consistency was not there. It was randomly dumping me in the turns just about the time I was getting really frustrated people here were talking about going way forward with the boots. It's working pretty good as is. I was getting slack at one ball. I tried adding wing but the problem was with me not the skI. I tried a 17 Probuild that Brooks setup. He had the boots slightly forward of what I had on the 16. It felt really different. When you set in at the start of the pull the Probuild had a feel of locking in like it was on rails. After a few passes I started getting used to it. I'm definitely a fan of Fin Whisperer, it sets next to my bed.

    I'd be interested in comparisons of 18 Lithium vs 18" Probuild. Lot of good skis out there right now. Wish I could find time to try more.
    6balls
  • ryans1418ryans1418 Posts: 9 Baller
    @rawly This comparison is between the Lithium vapor not the probuild
  • ryans1418ryans1418 Posts: 9 Baller
    Thanks for the info @ColeGiacopuzzi. I can tell this ski is easier to ride than the 2017 vapor.
  • ColeGiacopuzziColeGiacopuzzi Posts: 344 Open or 55K Rated Skier
    edited October 23
    @ryans1418 sorry about that. the 18 Lithium is out of the same mold as the probuild, just uses a PVC core instead of the PMI core. Still a very capable ski but toned down version.
    Cole Giacopuzzi • Radar Skis
  • ryans1418ryans1418 Posts: 9 Baller
    Thanks for all your responses. I think I'm just going to stick my 2017 Lithium Vapor.
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