How do I avoid fraud when selling a ski on ski-it-again

escmanazeescmanaze Posts: 546 ★★★Triple Panda Award Recipient ★★★
Hi Guys,
I'm an inexperienced seller on ski-it-again. I'm selling a ski and I think the buyer is officially all lined up. So far everything seems legit, so I don't have a specific reason to worry other than just general concern. Any tips, tricks, etc. for staying safe?

What is the normal for when I expect payment? Expect it when fedex delivers it? Expect it before I even ship it fedex? split?
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  • bajabaja Posts: 233 Baller
    Just require payment by PayPal. The money is yours in 5 minutes. Then you ship. No scam possible and you don't waste your time.
    MISkierChunkydski6jones
  • foxriveratfoxriverat Posts: 430 Solid Baller
    Paypal is the way to go. Also make sure you figure in shipping costs. Skis are not cheap to ship
    2000 Malibu Response LX 2016 66 lithium vapor
    MISkierChunkyd
  • LeonLLeonL Posts: 2,186 Crazy Baller
    But....put yourself in the shoes of the buyer. He sends money without any assurance that he's going to get anything. Call me an idiot but I've shipped skis to people without any money up front and never been cheated. Worst experience I had was after I got the money the buyer complained about some Sharpie marks I made while trying the ski, and that it wasn't the model that I said it was. I was flabbergasted by both. I responded "put a binding on it and the marks will be covered, or use some ffingernail polish remover". As to the correct model, I said I don't understand what you're talking about. The buyer later admitted that they were wrong. Obviously the buyer was unknowledgeable and someone else was giving them bad info.
    Leon Leonard Stillwater Lake KY - SR Driver SR Judge
    Jody_SealToddA
  • BraceMakerBraceMaker Posts: 2,483 Mega Baller
    I wouldn't plunk down the coin to ship until the payment is sent.

    Paypal lets you "invoice" the buyer which when paid you ship - but this does cost you a bit of money as a seller. It is "free" to the seller if the buyer sends you money as a gift, but frankly if I'm a buyer I'd worry that if I never got the ski I'd not have any recourse w/ paypal.

    I've purchased 10 or so times off ski-it-again and have never been bitten.
    oldjeepToddA
  • lakeaustinskierlakeaustinskier Posts: 324 Solid Baller
    As someone who has bought and sold not only skis but also boats on SIA the best policy is complete honesty. I'm getting ready to sell a boat on SIA and I've already taken pictures of all the positives and negatives of the boat. Also, I know this sounds old fashioned but if the Buyer or Seller will only deal with you via email or text - walk away. There's nothing better than voice communication to make sure everyone is happy.
    Ted Thomson, Austin Texas, Aquaplex
    MISkierschaferReggieO
  • bigskieridahobigskieridaho Posts: 796 Crazy Baller
    Just like any place you buy something from, boats, skis, etc. Ask for close up pictures of everything or utilize even a FaceTime with them and you can talk person to person and see the product. Money up front always by PayPal so it is legit and you have records. I have bought numerous items on SIA and it has been awesome! Hope this helps.
    ToddA
  • swc5150swc5150 Posts: 1,913 ★★★Triple Panda Award Recipient ★★★
    I've used Paypal for the handful of skis I've sold on SIA. I've also sold 4 boats on SIA, with no issues...and never spoke to the buyer before delivery day (I'm fine with the email/text thing in this day and age). The nice thing about SIA is the seller or buyer, I've found anyway, can usually be tracked back to BOS, PN, TT, Bu Crew, etc. It doesn't seem to be a c-list type of site, where every scammer in the world is targeting.
    Scott Calderwood
  • DavidNDavidN Posts: 124 Baller
    There’s always a risk even if you use PayPal as a seller.
    The buyer can “open up a case” with PayPal any time (up to 5 Months or so) after receiving the item, requesting his money back through them.
    Then it’s on you to proof that the item was delivered (and not only a box containing a 2x4) and in a condition you both agreed on.

    Take and keep lots of pictures of the article and even of the process of it being packed and the finished (and undamaged) box to be prepared for a potential case with PayPal.
    As stated above - talking to the buyer helps you get an impression, but is no guarantee that everything wents smooth.

    I prefer to sell locally, but unfortunately that limits your target group aka potential buyers.
    jayski
  • TdubTdub Posts: 220 Baller
    Never a problem with SIA. Paypal is the way to go.
    ToddA
  • ToddAToddA Posts: 61 Baller
    I have bought a ski, and sold (probably) 5 skis, as well as bindings on SIA. I have never been bitten, and like mentioned up above by @LeonL , I have also shipped before receiving a check. I have since gone with PayPal to receive payment, even though I haven't had a negative experience previously. I have found everyone that I have dealt with very honest and positive. Best of luck! :)
    WaterSkier12sodbuster88
  • 76S&S76S&S Posts: 67 Baller
    I recently bought a ski on SIA. The add stated that it belonged to a 80 year old guy and was lightly used. Knowing that there aren't many 80 year olds skiing, much less 80 year olds skiing on a D3 ARC-S I got suspicious and asked if we could have a quick call. 30 minutes later I had an awesome call with this guy and should I ever travel to his area I would love to get out on the water with him and take a few sets. There are @ss holes everywhere but, I think the skiing community as a whole, is primarily composed of good, honest people.
    bajaWaterSkier12Bruce_Butterfield
  • MuskokaKyMuskokaKy Posts: 274 Baller
    I made a purchase last spring from a BOS forum / Baller. Baller purolated the package to me in Canada prior to me paying!! i said i would pay for it to just let me know and sent him the money as soon as it arrived. Oklahoma boys are top shelf!! Great experience for me and i trust people on here hands down. I'm in the process of buying a trick ski from another baller on here; luckily we live quiet close to each other so its like a local sale...
    ToddAgt2003
  • skibackwardsskibackwards Posts: 44 Baller
    Everything I bought on SIA has been great and the transactions pretty smooth.
  • escmanazeescmanaze Posts: 546 ★★★Triple Panda Award Recipient ★★★
    thanks everybody for the input. Wish me luck!! Here I go!!
    ToddA
  • thagerthager Posts: 4,107 Mega Baller
    I always go to usaws and try to pull up their name. Tournament skiers have always been ok.
    Stir vigorously then leave!
    Nando
  • gregygregy Posts: 2,425 Mega Baller
    edited December 2017
    I kinda screwed myself once. We agreed on a price plus shipping. He paid for the ski. I went to find out what shipping was and went ahead and shipped the ski. The guy would never respond to my emails after that. So not all skiers are honest. Get all the money up front.
  • Kwoody51Kwoody51 Posts: 32 Baller
    edited December 2017
    While I haven’t sold as much ski gear i’ve sold LOTS of other items via forum and boards.

    I always get payment up front prior to shipping. I send as many pics as needed for the seller to be comfortable. Pretty quick you can tell if you are dealing with an enthusiast or a tire kicker.

    As a buyer i’ve only been burned once and CC company took care of me (repaid me) and went after seller for fraud.

    There are criminals out there but most people are good :smile:)
    WaterSkier12
  • MuskokaKyMuskokaKy Posts: 274 Baller
    Hey Guys, I'm bumping this thread as I am looking to purchase a reflex 3.0 hardshell from @DRail. anyone know him? he's West Palm Beach,FL and says he doesn't come on here much. I looked him up online and he said he use to work for h20proshop . Just seeing if anyone can verify here as he wants full payment upfront. Never had to pay upfront; most guys on here i had ship then paid after, but those were deals done via BOS.

    Thanks,

    Ky
  • oldjeepoldjeep Posts: 2,980 Mega Baller
    Seriously, most people don't expect to be paid up front?
    Chuck P
    Not a mechanic but I play one at home
    jayskiToddA
  • DekeDeke Posts: 358 Baller
    Paying up front is the norm. If you are concerned for some reason you could use an escrow service. Have you actually spoken to the seller?
  • rfarfa Posts: 219 Baller
    @MuskokaKy, I have known @DRail for a long time, skied many times with him mostly in NY, also in MA...good guy! Tell him Rui said so...as far as who ships or pays first, that's between the two of you. Good luck.
    Rui Afonso
    MuskokaKy
  • BraceMakerBraceMaker Posts: 2,483 Mega Baller
    Another tactic is to create yourself an ebay listing, then post a link elsewhere, then you use Ebay as the anti-fraud side of things.
  • parkerc2112parkerc2112 Posts: 104 Baller
    Some asshole misinformed me(new to hard shells) on a Reflex boot,sent him money and shipping. After repeatedly asking sizing questions, I paid shipping, too small so asked for refund. He denied it. There are real assholes out there with zero character. Only do business with people I know.
  • MuskokaKyMuskokaKy Posts: 274 Baller
    Thanks Ballers,

    @oldjeep i have bought and sold on here for the past year about 6 times and never got paid or sent payment without the receiver looking over the product. Always seemed to work, especially with guys on here. I'm not against it just want to make sure. I did give @Drail most of my info upfront as well as contacts on here and SIA he could verify me with; but he said he didnt go on either site much ( which was why i was little more hesitant)

    @rfa Thank you. that's all i needed to here. I did some searching on him and your story makes total sense. I will just pay him and get the binding shipped asap. Thanks again it is greatly appreciated!! If you're ever north of the boarder and want to run set let me know.

    Will be using Paypal.

    Thanks again
  • escmanazeescmanaze Posts: 546 ★★★Triple Panda Award Recipient ★★★
    Quick update from my side of things, everything went well with my SIA sale. Dude sent the money through paypal, I shipped the ski, everything was all good. Man life is nice when it just works out. :smile:
    ToddA
  • MDB1056MDB1056 Posts: 98 Baller
    Glad it all worked out. FYI forward - I've found Fed Ex GROUND to be the very best shipping option. MUCH less expensive than UPS, USPS, or regular Fed Ex . SIA transactions are usually pretty smooth. I've never had a problem.
    LZywicki1
  • Ed_JohnsonEd_Johnson Posts: 1,801
    Just sold a ski and shipped it. Pricing was $67 Fed-Ex Grd, $65 UPS, and $43 USPS. That was from Orlando to Wisconsin. Went with USPS, took 7 days, and arrived safely today, with good auto updates all the way.

    Loving the Reflex Supershell with R Style Rear !!!
    oldjeep
  • oldjeepoldjeep Posts: 2,980 Mega Baller
    @Ed_Johnson that has always been my experience with shipping oversized as well. USPS was always significantly cheaper
    Chuck P
    Not a mechanic but I play one at home
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