$35-40,000 slalom tug. Possible?

jcampjcamp Posts: 654 Crazy Baller
A couple people I've talked to lately seem to think it is doable. But then I've also heard the emissions standards, changes in engine blocks, cost of fiberglass, etc., make it impossible. What do you all think? Why or why not?

$35-40,000 slalom tug. Possible? 84 votes

It can be done
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No way
28%
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  • aupatkingaupatking Posts: 922 Mega Baller
    Hard to believe cars can be built and sold for $10k but a boat can’t for $40k. I don’t have any industry knowledge though, so I’d have to abstain from a vote
  • KrleeKrlee Posts: 484 Baller
    No way
    I voted no way because I don't think a boat company could survive on a boat at that price. Yes a low cost version could be built. The car companies support the low cost cars with more profitable versions or models. Plus their is a huge market for cars vs. boats. A boat is a luxury item for most people, whether is is at large surf boat or an entry level Bayliner.
    jcampsixball
  • andjulesandjules Posts: 692 Crazy Baller
    edited April 11
    No way
    I don't think $40k can be done anymore, but that doesn't mean $100k should the only price point for new.
    That said, between the used market (for most of us?), and a handful of wealthy customers (who'll complain, but ultimately seem) willing to spend ~$80-100k, I'm not sure there is much of a space for a $50 or $60k boat from a garage startup and likely to feel very barebones. The first reviews for a startup would of course be silly stuff like "the driver's seat isn't as nice as the Nautique" and "the hole shot seemed a little weak" and the next thing you know it's just seen as inferior.
    jcampfu_man
  • RazorRoss3RazorRoss3 Posts: 1,249 Mega Baller
    It can be done
    Mechanically I have to imagine you could get something that just clears the bar in terms of performance at that price point but there is no boat company on earth that would do it, the economics don't make sense unless Wal-Mart decided to get into ski boat production.

    Lets face it, if I have the capacity (through any mix of cash and financing) to get my hands on a 35-40K boat, and have the option of a no-name-bare-bones or a pick your age big 3 off of ski-it-again I can tell you where I'm spending my money every single time.
    jcamp6ballsChef23
  • swc5150swc5150 Posts: 1,811 ★★★Triple Panda Award Recipient ★★★
    It can be done
    I think it can be built, but I don't think it would sell. History seems to have proven this. Buyers just tend to buy a used CC or MC before a bargain brand.
    Scott Calderwood
  • WishWish Posts: 7,003 ★★★Triple Panda Award Recipient ★★★
    @LoopSki I thought Bu owned/purchased Flightcraft. Did they buy the molds back or get the name back or just a completely different company with the same name?
    >>> 11.25..a different kettle of fish. <<<
  • IlivetoskiIlivetoski Posts: 1,025 Crazy Baller
    It can be done
    It might be a low margin boat, and yes low margin products normally need a lot of sales to keep the company alive... but let’s not act like ski boat sales is what is keeping the manufactures in business. If them staying alive depended on ski boat sales they would have all gone under a long time ago.

    That said- I would buy a 2012 200 over a $40K new barebones (even if it was a barebones big 3) every time.
  • LoopSkiLoopSki Posts: 234 Crazy Baller
    It can be done
    @Wish , Flightcraft name is back to the original owner.
    WishALPJr
  • bigskieridahobigskieridaho Posts: 739 Crazy Baller
    It can be done
    It’s funny I was just having this conversation with my wife. Obviously started with the New SN. I am still a bare bones type of boat person. I don’t need all the screens and functions that are confusing at best. A speedo, tach, engine stuff, and ZO is just fine. High tech construction, nope. Flashy...Nice but no. Interior can be nice without all the flash, but have great quality. Heater and shower are a must. Don’t get me wrong, I like creature comforts and a nice boat, but can’t we have options from ground up without having to pick all of items up front if we don’t want them? Sounds like I am explaining the carbon pro hmmm. My Malibu is sweet with most options, however it is a 2009 because that’s what I could afford. Does everything you would need a boat to do. Same comes with cars or trucks. As I noticed a lot of cars are going to turbo 4, 6’s. What happened to the beast V8? Oh yeah emissions.... I get we need good air quality, but once again the cars from the 60’s were cheap and awesome! Either way, I am stuck buying used cars, boats, etc because nothing is affordable anymore. Used stuff serves the same purpose, and more than likely are more user friendly and fun to drive(cars). When I am done with this boat, I will be able to afford the ones out now which is cool with me:) rant over.
  • Jody_SealJody_Seal Posts: 2,247 Mega Baller
    No way
    This one is funny!
    A new $50K-$60K tug could be reality. Many or most of you are clueless as to what it takes in today's world to bring a 20' Inboard to market. The engine package alone is the biggest single cost of the boat, oem cost is right at $10K. Fiberglass resin and material will run in the $7K then there is electronics, upholstery, gas tank, windshield and hardware another $10K. Then There is overhead and labor $15K. So that leaves a builders margin with about $8K profit per unit provided one is trying to sell it factory direct!
    Reminder every one of our boats are truly "custom" built boats. This industry is far different then that of the Automotive industry with all the same government restrictions or maybe even more. try building a sub 20' boat and the cost goes up due to flotation requirements.
    Now a outboard 20' tournament boat could be built and sold for that $35-$40K provided it was spartan.
    My numbers may be a little high but still well within the ball park.
    Challenge on!!
    Hobby Boats can be expensive when the hobbyist is limited on their own skill and expertise.


    BroussardGloersenandjules
  • Orlando76Orlando76 Posts: 588 Crazy Baller
    I’m not sure if it could be done for 40k but close to it. But in reality nobody wants bare bones. I myself seek bare bones but how many XL fords do you see vs. Lariats and Platinums? Everybody has to keep up with the Jones’. And Gekko didn’t survive because the goofy fugly windshield.
    jcamp
  • lmt383lmt383 Posts: 8 Baller
    It can be done
    Dyna-ski is already built their 17.6 model in that price range with o/b power between 90-150 hp motor.
    dyna-ski.com

    dynaskiboats.com
    ALPJrWish
  • ALPJrALPJr Posts: 1,459 Crazy Baller
    It can be done
    @LoopSki this is fantastic!
  • IlivetoskiIlivetoski Posts: 1,025 Crazy Baller
    It can be done
    one of my close friends sells boats at the local MasterCraft dealer, base sticker on a new Prostar is $79K... according to him if you offer $60K on a base they will normally take that. I’m not sure if a base prostar even includes ZO so you might have to go a little higher than that to get in a ZO boat, but that’s probably as cheap as you can get a brand new 2018 ski boat
  • BroussardBroussard Posts: 306 Baller
    No way
    @Ilivetoski base Prostar includes ZO
    Andre Broussard - Louisiana
  • HortonHorton Posts: 24,468 Administrator
    No way
    @Live2ski I think your numbers are a little light. A smart buyer is unlikely to pay MSRP but 60k for a brand new ProStar does not sound right.

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  • IlivetoskiIlivetoski Posts: 1,025 Crazy Baller
    It can be done
    @Horton it might be, that’s just what I was told from a MC dealer. Again, that is base with no options on it..
  • LoopSkiLoopSki Posts: 234 Crazy Baller
    It can be done
    I got mine last year for that plus tax. Not base model .
    Bulldog
  • IlivetoskiIlivetoski Posts: 1,025 Crazy Baller
    It can be done
    The exact words from the dealer were “you can get a base prostar for $79K, that’s retail so go ahead and take $20-$25K off that”
  • A_BA_B Posts: 3,860 Mega Baller
    It can be done
    It might be a stretch to get that low, but I for sure think a $50-$60K boat should be possible. Comparing to a 2018 Cobalt (who I think is a pretty solid mfg) 20-footer for around $58K, there is a lot less weight in a ski boat hull (less materials), no head (porta potty), not as wide, and I have to believe a Borg Warner Transmission for an inboard is far less costly than an outdrive.

    Form a new mold off a TSC hull, put about 340 hp in it, with basic interior, and hardware, along with a new wide angle mirror, and I believe that would be at least half of the new ones. Maybe the wakes are a touch off of the new hulls, but the pickup is better fuel economy.

    I would sell my 2007 with 1100 hours on it in a heart beat for all new.



    escmanazejipster43
  • swc5150swc5150 Posts: 1,811 ★★★Triple Panda Award Recipient ★★★
    edited April 11
    It can be done
    Is Gekko still making a DD?
    Scott Calderwood
  • oldjeepoldjeep Posts: 2,832 Mega Baller
    No way
    @swc5150 - hard to tell what Gekko is doing any more. I do know that the former owner was driving a new Prostar last summer.
    Chuck P
    Not a mechanic but I play one at home
  • WishWish Posts: 7,003 ★★★Triple Panda Award Recipient ★★★
    edited April 11
    @Jody_Seal with current flotation regulations is an old 196 hull even possible to manufacture these days?
    >>> 11.25..a different kettle of fish. <<<
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