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How often do you clear and remap your Zero Off?

HortonHorton Posts: 25,658 Administrator
How often do you clear and remap your Zero Off?

How often do you clear and remap your Zero Off? 69 votes

Never
47%
eleeskijedgellski6jonesskibugRogerdislandWeappaJack KinnePSMBruce_ButterfieldBoneHeadRpc29Than_BoganLeonLEd_Johnsonswc5150JackQdbskiIlivetoskiMichaelGoodman 33 votes
About once a year
27%
HortonauskierA_BLakeOneSkierskinutdvskiingbishop8950NandomjnelsonMSdavid_skipvysohlidBRYswaterkdsupergadgetTELJordanOztravtitleChunkyd 19 votes
About twice a year
10%
scotchipmanaussiemcsavaiusiniColeGiacopuzziRAWSkibigskieridahobbrannan 7 votes
More often then twice a year
14%
skiepRichardDoaneMattPDragoskiinxsJody_SealKrlee303SkierozskiHockdog 10 votes

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Comments

  • aupatkingaupatking Posts: 1,057 Mega Baller
    Never
    Huh? Didn’t know that was a thing
    kurtReggieOeyepeeler
  • ozskiozski Posts: 1,565
    More often then twice a year
    Almost weekly. Slalom its not so bad but the mapping on the jump course seems to out of whack quite a lot which means switch is not engaged through the ramp which is a big deal. Seems to be the same on all three of the boats we use including the new Nautique.
    'Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try Again. Fail again. Fail better.'' Boat 2005 Nautique 196 6L ZO - Ski: KD Platinum

  • LeonLLeonL Posts: 2,255 Crazy Baller
    Never
    I voted never, but that's not really accurate. It's just almost never. I think I've done 2-3 times in 10 years. There are people that say it might need it done more than once some days. As @ozski said, jump is pretty critical.
    Leon Leonard Stillwater Lake KY - SR Driver SR Judge
    Zman
  • aupatkingaupatking Posts: 1,057 Mega Baller
    Never
    Outside of jump, which has been explained here, what is the function of clearing and remapping. My beeps seem to line up and my times are almost always dead on. I got a disagree earlier for not knowing.
  • MattPMattP Posts: 5,973 Mega Baller
    More often then twice a year
    You will always get good times with a poorly map courses the boat does not know where the buoys are it is just assuming where they are based on the entrance gates position GPS coordinates that you programmed when you floated by. You want the boat to react properly between these imaginary points when it is throttling to make up the time. I’ve been in been in some boats that need to be remapped weekly more than likely it’s due to the satellite drift and location of the lake or failing pucks. @Jody_Seal once told me to remap every time you skied. Do I do that? No, but I try to do it every few weeks.
  • KelvinKelvin Posts: 1,059 Crazy Baller
    Yea, I just noticed GPS had drifted about 30ft or more in the slalom course on one of my boats. Will be remapping it the next time it gets used.
    Kelvin Kelm, Lakes of Katy, Katy Texas
  • RichardDoaneRichardDoane Posts: 3,976 Mega Baller
    More often then twice a year
    pay attention to the relationship of the boat guide/pylon and the beep when engaged. as soon as it starts to be different, i's time to re-map
    BallOfSpray Pacific Northwest Vice President of Event Management, aka "Zappy"
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  • ski6jonesski6jones Posts: 805 Crazy Baller
    Never
    Yeah. Gotta watch those gate bouys. They move all over the place. Sometimes mine are on the shore.
    Carl Addington, Lakes of Katy, Texas
    aupatkingRAWSkithager
  • T_CT_C Posts: 116 Baller
    I just got back from skiing with @twhisper at Liquid zone and ran lots of nice passes. Skied for the first time back yesterday and could not run a pass. I could not get the right position on the gates to save my life. When I got in to drive the boat I noticed the boat was 20' past the entry gates when zero off beeped! When I blamed the crappy set on zero off and all my ski buddies asked me what i was smoking? I re mapped the boat!!!!
  • BrennanKMNBrennanKMN Posts: 376 Crazy Baller
    Never
    I do a mental check a few times a year by comparing the beep and the entrance gate. If that is accurate I don't do anything. I have yet to have it drift, even after sinking the course for the winter.
  • KelvinKelvin Posts: 1,059 Crazy Baller
    IWWF rules require remap if the beeps have drifted more than 2.5m from the buoys.
    Kelvin Kelm, Lakes of Katy, Katy Texas
    aupatkingeleeski
  • HortonHorton Posts: 25,658 Administrator
    About once a year
    I do not understand how GPS can be wrong since it is just data but I think it should be standard procedure to remap every 90 days or so. I have heard more than one story in the last month about skiers having issues skiing behind a boat until they reset the ZO and then everyone goes back to skiing good.

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  • aupatkingaupatking Posts: 1,057 Mega Baller
    Never
    Thanks for the thread @Horton. I seriously had no idea
  • Ed_JohnsonEd_Johnson Posts: 1,848
    edited June 18
    Never
    Thanks for the thread. I set mine 5 years a go when I got a new CC200, and as long as the beeps were close I took it for granted. Rechecked it today and the beeps were about 3'-5' off, when you focus closely. Remapped it and it is now perfect. No wonder I couldn't run my 43 off pass !!!
    THANKS BOS !!!
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  • DWDW Posts: 1,850 Mega Baller
    +3 on thanks for posting. Friends boat was off and giving some random slow times (felt slow also), this thread prompted me to listen to where the beeps were happening and sure enough, ~10' off. Remapped seems better but the beeps are not quite on top of each other for opposite direction pass. Would be interesting to get an explanation as why or how the signal can shift over time.
  • AndreAndre Posts: 986 Crazy Baller
    Pffffffff!
    When Zero Off drift, i just buy a new boat...
  • Ed_JohnsonEd_Johnson Posts: 1,848
    edited June 18
    Never
    @DW ... Try remapping from the other direction. When I first remapped mine East to West, coming back West to East was off. I then remapped again, from the other end, West to East, and for some reason both directions were now spot on. Not sure why that mattered, but it's now perfect both directions.

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  • DWDW Posts: 1,850 Mega Baller
    @Ed_Johnson : I suggested that to the boat owner and also was thinking of doing that and naming it a different course to see the effect (okay shoot the damn engineer).
    Are you saying simply to remap the same course but opposite direction, just so I am clear?
  • KelvinKelvin Posts: 1,059 Crazy Baller
    @DW you don’t want 2 maps of the same course. Can do screwy things.
    Kelvin Kelm, Lakes of Katy, Katy Texas
  • aussiemcaussiemc Posts: 117 Baller
    About twice a year
    In my experience, remapping is a great idea, but I think one of the most important things to do is occasionally delete all courses from ZO and re enter as a new course. I always do it before a tournament to ensure accuracy. It's especially important on multi lake / course sites.
    Drago
  • ski6jonesski6jones Posts: 805 Crazy Baller
    Never
    I know in order to get a very accurate location with handhdld GPS requires the system to stay in one location and average for a while. Wonder if this is related why the points drift.
    Carl Addington, Lakes of Katy, Texas
    eleeski
  • Ed_JohnsonEd_Johnson Posts: 1,848
    Never
    @DW ...you said..( Are you saying simply to remap the same course but opposite direction, just so I am clear? )

    YES !!!!! It worked perfectly for me.


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  • DWDW Posts: 1,850 Mega Baller
    @Ed_Johnson : Thanks, that is what I interpreted your comment to be.
    @Kelvin : What are those screwy things?

    Awesome, contradictory comments, makes this thread perfect learning tool and why this site is great. Kudos to the Great Galactic Leader...(I am glad that @Dirt & @MS don't have panda power).

    And - looks like the poll needs an addendum: after reading this thread, now how often are you going to remap, and will you do a bidirectional process.
    Dirt
  • eleeskieleeski Posts: 3,619 MM Trick Skier / Eccentric Person
    Never
    GPS accuracy is a few meters. " the government commits to broadcasting the GPS signal in space with a global average user range error (URE) of ≤7.8 m (25.6 ft.), with 95% probability. Actual performance exceeds the specification. On May 11, 2016, the global average URE was ≤0.715 m (2.3 ft.), 95% of the time." NOAA.

    There are ways to improve the accuracy but typically use more time or fancy expensive setups. Is the single puck ZO less accurate?

    GPS is accurate to measure speed through the course to .01 second regardless of any drift. "The government provides the GPS signal in space with a global average user range rate error (URRE) of ≤0.006 m/sec over any 3-second interval, with 95% probability." NOAA. That's .01 mph with an AWSA tolerance of .5 mph!

    I believe the satellites are recalibrated regularly to keep long term drift from moving your map too far from the course over longer periods of time. I don't know the rate of drift or re centering. But the airport is still in the same place on my 15 year old aircraft GPS.

    So when you map, it's random if you are at the middle of the GPS error or at the edges. If the beeps end up a long ways from the real course, remap. If they are pretty close, stick with your mapping. .7m or 2.3ft is pretty close.

    Remap before a tournament. At least you'll have that day's error right. Unless they correct the satellites mid day. Then, you'll notice beeps in the wrong places (and remap).

    The quality of the mapping, the condition of your ZO, the satellite view from your site and other local factors can all degrade the signal accuracy. You might nee more frequent monitoring.

    All bets are off in Australia as the continental drift there is more than the (most accurate) GPS errors.

    Eric
    DirtJack KinneDW
  • skiepskiep Posts: 275 Solid Baller
    More often then twice a year
    Every Day !!
  • KelvinKelvin Posts: 1,059 Crazy Baller
    @DW, a friend on a single lake had his course mapped twice in the system. As a result, the boat would pick a different course on each end of the lake and the wait timer didn't work. He has the older round dial in his boat and wasn't familiar with the auto course selection settings. Clearing out one of the courses fixed the issue.
    Kelvin Kelm, Lakes of Katy, Katy Texas
    DW
  • A_BA_B Posts: 3,991 Mega Baller
    About once a year
    Our course is anchored at the east end and is hooked up to a boat winch on the west end. When we have high water in Spring I map a “High Water” course that floats further east and then go back to our normal course as it comes down. I remap regular course maybe once a year or skip a year.
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