Turn Completion

Skoot1123Skoot1123 Posts: 1,791 Mega Baller
Ok folks - seeking feedback and comments regarding the finish of the turn at 32 off.

Here is the scenario: when I complete the turn at 32 and I have my ski shooting out in front of me, it feels like I am on the back of the ski. Doesn’t feel like I am riding the tail of the ski though. When I do this I arrive to the next buoy early and with space, making the pass almost seem easy. I need to work on my consistency in this though.

On the other hand when this does not happen I am narrow to the buoy and have a lot of slack. Any others feel this same “phenomenon”?

I can somewhat replicate this at 28 but it doesn’t have quite the same feel.

Amy comments appreciated. Thanks!

Comments

  • bigtex2011bigtex2011 Posts: 432 Crazy Baller
    are you narrow coming into your offside or onside turns or both
  • Skoot1123Skoot1123 Posts: 1,791 Mega Baller
    @bigtex2011 I believe that when I am pushing the ski out front I am early to the buoy. When that is not happening it just feels like I am going right for the buoy on both sides.

    In general the difference between the two is like polar opposites. One case 32 is a smooooooth ride and the other it feels like a rodeo where I am only getting 1-3 buoys
    MISkier
  • MattPMattP Posts: 5,970 Mega Baller
    @Skoot1123 can you get video of both scenarios? It will be much easier to see what is going on.
  • AdamCordAdamCord Posts: 691 Open or 55K Rated Skier
    edited June 2018
    Your ski most likely is shutting down too much through apex and also the turn radius is too long. That will force you to the tail because if you stay forward on the ski it will either fold you or you'll fall to the inside because it's taking too long to rotate.

    Best fix is to move the fin forward. This will let it carry speed through the finish and also tighten up the turn radius. I don't know how sensitive your ski is to fin moves but .005-.010" forward would probably be enough to tell you if it's better or not.
    jipster43Skoot1123
  • bigtex2011bigtex2011 Posts: 432 Crazy Baller
    For me, if i finish the turn too aggressively or catch the handle out front then i get peeled to the inside moving outbound to the next ball.. (making me narrow) if i'm a little more balanced with my turn, my cast outbound is better.
  • skialexskialex Posts: 830 Crazy Baller
    Try moving the front or both bindings 1/8 backwards
  • JayproJaypro Posts: 249 Solid Baller
    @AdamCord move forward .10 but leave leading edge where it is?
  • AdamCordAdamCord Posts: 691 Open or 55K Rated Skier
    @Jaypro no move the whole fin.
    Jaypro
  • MillerTime38MillerTime38 Posts: 310 Crazy Baller
    Seems it is more of a body position/technique issue then fin set up, since once in a while it does feel good. Video would help but I suspect the issue is occurring behind the boat
    bigtex2011Killer
  • Skoot1123Skoot1123 Posts: 1,791 Mega Baller
    All - thanks for the comments. I will try to get some video to post on here for others to see.

    @AdamCord I will see what happens when I move the fin forward. If the ski is shutting down too much and for too long then that would explain why it feels like I need to get further back on the ski so I am not folded over.

    The water has warmed up a bit too so that would make the ski react a little differently in the conditions I am skiing in.

    @MillerTime38 right now 32 is my most challenging pass that I can make occasionally. Have gotten into 35 a couple times but not with any regularity. I know body position is something I am constantly working on so you are also correct.

    Hoping to get some skiing in this weekend and try to get some video. More to come.
  • Skoot1123Skoot1123 Posts: 1,791 Mega Baller
    edited June 2018
    @adamcord - your ability to decipher exactly what I was feeling / experiencing is phenomenal. I moved my whole fin forward by .008 and adjusted the depth to 2.511. (I am on a 2013 HO A3 - 66”). The ski was certainly different at 15,22, and 28. Almost felt like it wanted to roll over more in the preturn and during the turn. The true test was 32 though. Made two out of three 32’ off attempts. What I noticed is a shorter radii turn with a bit more speed. It really allowed the ski to come around and finish the turn with full ski engagement. I also didn’t feel like I was way on the back of the ski either. So far I really like the adjustment. I wonder if this change has any correlation to my weight as well (155-160)?

    For some reason it felt like I was more on top of the water throughout my passes. Will have to ski it more to describe it in greater detail.

    I did attempt a 35’ off pass and got one buoy. A little disappointed I couldnt hang on and get a few more, but considering my skiing the first part of the week I will take that for sure.

    Thanks again Adam Cord for your insight! Spot on advice!
    Ed_JohnsonAdamCord
  • AdamCordAdamCord Posts: 691 Open or 55K Rated Skier
    That’s awesome @Skoot1123 ! Don’t be afraid to keep going with the fin. I generally try and go too far, then pull it back a bit.
  • Skoot1123Skoot1123 Posts: 1,791 Mega Baller
    @AdamCord - I haven’t gone any further with the fun because it had been such a sweet change!

    My 28’s are almost automatic right now and my 32’@32mph are quite consistent. I’m still working on the gates for my 32’@34mph to gain more consistency but I have so far run ~9 32’@34mph. Set a PB of [email protected]@32mph and [email protected]@34mph.

    This has been an awesome ski season so far. Have had some good coaching which has helped tremendously too. (Doug at The Liguid Edge in Farmer City, IL) I am hoping to get some more cracks at 35’ this year. Think I can make that one??!
    WishAdamCordscorban2

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