is this weird or awesome #2

HortonHorton Posts: 26,978 Administrator
Okay clearly it is awesome but what the hell is he doing with the handle off the second wake?

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  • Bruce_ButterfieldBruce_Butterfield Posts: 1,444 Mega Baller
    A little unorthodox for sure. It looks like he is “only” holding the handle very close as he changes edges and unloads the rope. The edge change and unloading are a little more abrupt than most elite level skiers so it looks more unusual.
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  • MISkierMISkier Posts: 2,483 Mega Baller
    It looks like he is advancing the ski forward and outbound, possibly by pulling the handle in a bit, and the resulting action gets him free from the boat quickly. Consequently, he manages that sudden release so he stays connected by tilting and moving the handle a little fore/aft/up/down to keep tension on the line for the reach.

    The action reminds me a little of what Wim DeCree does to advance the ski at centerline, though Robert is doing it after the second wake and in a more pronounced way.
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  • DragoDrago Posts: 1,442 Mega Baller
    Mama Mia is right
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  • HortonHorton Posts: 26,978 Administrator
    I got to go find some of this on YouTube so I can slow it down. I'm pretty freaking confused about what this kid is doing

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  • DavidPDavidP Posts: 167 Baller
    I see a trend...both skiers are LFF! :)
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  • ozskiozski Posts: 1,641
    edited November 2018
    The kid is awesome and has a 41 in the books regardless of what people might have to say about that particular score. The great thing about this sport is there is no absolute right or wrong way to go out the gates. RP goes on the list of one of my favorite skiers to watch, I really like the way he uses the ski and he leaves it all out there. He's no pussy, more power to him I hope he runs a shet load more 41's. With regards to the handle its an exaggerated move that maybe helps him grab some extra width / space as he moves over the ski into the ball.
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  • Chef23Chef23 Posts: 5,844 Mega Baller
    I love watching him ski but even as a LFF skier I don't think that he is someone I can emulate. The move after the second wakes is interesting. I think if I tried to pull in like that I would wind up with my hips back and shoulders forward.
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  • HortonHorton Posts: 26,978 Administrator
    @Chef23 I am 99% sure that move is not something anyone should try to copy.

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  • bishop8950bishop8950 Posts: 1,096 Open or 55K Rated Skier
    Dude is crazy talented and super fun to watch. He also appears to have crazy fast relflexes. I expect he will be challenging to win any event he enters very soon.

    My guess is “the move” off the 2nd wake is a not deliberate action but rather a result.

    When I ski my best I feel the boat pull me up over my ski after the second wake. Even better, you feel the boat pull you up course as you approach the ball. I looks to me he is trying to ride the line as high as he can and consequently we see him pulling in a bit at the very top.

    The “second move” as he finishes the turn looks to me like he is just keeping the rope tight as he comes back from the apex to the load.
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  • HortonHorton Posts: 26,978 Administrator
    I am really looking forward to watching this kid at Moomba.

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  • DragoDrago Posts: 1,442 Mega Baller
    @Horton wanna bet the usual that this technique will not be effective @ Moomba? ($1.00)
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  • HortonHorton Posts: 26,978 Administrator
    nope

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  • WishWish Posts: 7,680 ★★★Triple Panda Award Recipient ★★★
    edited March 4
    +1 for what @adamhcaldwell said. CP is so deliberate with handle placement/movement or whatever you wanna call it. Watch a vid of him and see what he does with the handle from second wake to handle release. It's robotic. To me it's not a bad idea and can be tried by anyone. I can't speak for Pagozzi as his is hard to spot but CPs is rather obvious. Terry Winter is another I'd point to to watch off the second wake. If continuing the swing speed and pendulum affect off the second wake is a goal (and it should be) then this can actually help. It also helps get COM centered over the ski vs back on the tail. It sounds weird to simplify it but "doing something" with the handle off the second wake can keep a skier connected to the pendulum swing momentum longer (hard to do if handle is away from your body and there is a lot of line tension ...there's other problems if that's the case). Both CP and Pagozzi may have a diff rationale for why they do what they do but I don't think it's arguable that it helps them maintain swing speed and keeps the ski speed up and them centered over the ski. Great stuff! Pagozzi is so much fun to watch.
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  • DangerBoyDangerBoy Posts: 261 Solid Baller
    edited March 4
    You think that form is unorthodox? Check this out! This is a pic of a Body Glove poster that's on eBay right now.

    Never having had any lessons I may not know a lot about the finer points of proper form or technique but I'm pretty sure this isn't right so I'd put it in the category of "weird" or perhaps "WTF?!"

    The question is, do you think the guy made it out of that turn or just bit it big time?

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  • Bruce_ButterfieldBruce_Butterfield Posts: 1,444 Mega Baller
    @DangerBoy That’s Carl Roberge jacking around and having fun for the camera. I’d make a large wager that he kept skiing.
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  • DangerBoyDangerBoy Posts: 261 Solid Baller
    edited March 4
    @Bruce_Butterfield OMG! That's sooo funny! :D I've actually seen at least one guy on our lake one handed cutting with the wrong hand (like being serious/not as a spoof) so I thought it might've actually been someone thinking they were a real hot-shot and doing it all wrong. It's even funnier now that I know the story behind it. I'm now firmly in the "awesome" camp with this one. ;)

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  • MISkierMISkier Posts: 2,483 Mega Baller
    @DangerBoy, there was an Open Men’s skier who did that at the Water Ski World Championship in Chile a few years ago at the end of his 35 off pass. That is confidence.
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  • DangerBoyDangerBoy Posts: 261 Solid Baller
    edited March 4
    @MISkier Yup. Dude had a pair for sure. The spotter must've busted a gut laughing after seeing that. It would've been funny to have seen it happen.
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  • klindyklindy Posts: 2,215 Mega Baller
    @MISkier @Dangerboy If I recall, Robert Pigozzi did that this year at the PanAms. Might not have been Robert but someone one handed 6 ball like that at either -32 or -35.
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  • MISkierMISkier Posts: 2,483 Mega Baller
    @klindy, I did not see that one.

    And, @DangerBoy, the instance I mentioned was -32 (not -35). Daniel Odvarko at the 2013 Worlds. Go to the 4:47:00 mark.

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  • powbmpspowbmps Posts: 105 Baller
    @MISkier that is awesome.
  • CBR51CBR51 Posts: 73 Baller
    There is a old video on YouTube with Carl, Wade and Brett Thurley that Carl does it also. Awesome video I might add
  • RAWSkiRAWSki Posts: 576 Crazy Baller
    I was skiing last year and making a pass feeling super easy and early........ Soooo .I tried to "tap" buoy 6 with my free 'off' hand and wound up falling not at all gracefully! I was so glad that @Shell wasn't shooting video that day!
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  • DangerBoyDangerBoy Posts: 261 Solid Baller
    This is pretty awesome. I love the slide turns or whatever you call them

    https://youtube.com/watch?v=7r9jpnFdUl8
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