New Prostar soon

Dacon62Dacon62 Posts: 616 Crazy Baller
Nothing wrong with the current Prostar but it is already, hard to believe, in its 6th production year and soon to be 7th year.
Anything word out there about a Prostar 2.0 in the works?
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  • skimtbskimtb Posts: 159 Baller
    Last one ran 2002-2013, new one is pretty good, wouldn’t expect anything soon, but I guess you never know....
    HortonRAWSki
  • Dacon62Dacon62 Posts: 616 Crazy Baller
    Correct me if I’m wrong but the last hull went from 2001-2013. Pretty impressive 12 year run.
  • BoneHeadBoneHead Posts: 5,986
    With the amount of money spent on developing a "tool" for a very limited total addressable market, these companies have to stretch out the production run for a number of years to recoup and make money. Look at Nautique. 9 model years on the 200 before introducing a replacement. And it's not really a replacement. I would suspect that MC will run the PS a bit longer. They always have.
    Shane "Crash" Hill

  • skimtbskimtb Posts: 159 Baller
    @Dirt I don’t have considerable time behind or in one yet (hope to change that this summer), but I think they are awesome. Maybe my “pretty good” above should have been “great” or better.
    All I can see that would be nice is a dual fuel fill or maybe medium engine option (big jump from 5.7 to 6.2 $$$!). I have also noticed the windshield design is cooler in the cabin on cold mornings vs full wrap.
    Other than that, I think they are perfect and can look at pics of them all day.
  • LoopSkiLoopSki Posts: 417 Crazy Baller
    edited April 27
    only things i would change is the gas guage issue as mentioned, and to use a better adhesive on the letters. so far i have l lost the M,T and C .They only partially come off so they bend and crease.
  • DirtDirt Posts: 1,561 Open or 55K Rated Skier
    edited April 27
    Thanks. I was just curious. There is always room for improvement. I would take Hortons boat away and give it to a college team.
    I would like for Horton to have to ski behind a wake surf boat or even worse, with Greg Badal.
    I learned everything I know not to do from Horton
    jayskiNot_The_Pug
  • vtjcvtjc Posts: 210 Baller
    @BoneHead I am gong to disagree that MasterCraft has always had long runs of ProStar hulls.
    From late seventies to 2001 the MasterCraft skiboat was updated frequently(3 year cycle 87-2001), often with some notable changes between years. Admittedly this was a different era for waterskiing. This is a brief summary:
    1968-1976 Skier
    1977-1979 Skier
    1980-1985 standard and PowerSlot (1983+ wood free)
    1986 Transition Year(earlier deck, newer hull, unique interior and graphics)
    1987-1990 ProStar 190
    1991-1994 ProStar 190
    1995-1997 ProStar 190
    1998-2000 ProStar 190
    2001-2013 Prostar 190/197 EVO Hull(2002TT + 2003+ with hook)
    2014+ ProStar
    ProStar History Thread
    I haven’t skied behind the current ProStar, however it sounds like an outstanding boat. Ilmor will need transition to a newer base motor when the 5.7L stock runs out.
    KRoundy
  • JordanJordan Posts: 1,100 ★★★Triple Panda Award Recipient ★★★
    The return on investing in new three event hull is long and slow. It was quite different when these boats were the only model they made or at least were the bulk of what these companies sold
  • BraceMakerBraceMaker Posts: 3,189 Mega Baller
    I personally think the market is there for a one step larger ski boat.

    Think of the MC 209 - that is what so many young family boaters want but if you could rework the bottom to be more like the current gen prostar and give a better wake thatd be the boat I'd want.
  • slowslow Posts: 341 Solid Baller
    Big sport direct drives are dead. They were mediocre at everything.
    AndreHortonaupatking
  • ScottScottScottScott Posts: 695 Crazy Baller
    As far as the Prostars being loud....I guess if you ski early and it may be a little more disturbing to others living on the lake.... If thats a concern, could add a fresh air exhaust. Otherwise, I think they are the best sounding boat out there, I wouldn't change a thing.

    Fuel gauge has its quirks. (if you fill the tank when you add its not an issue, instead of 5-10 gallons at a time, but thats not practical in situations where you're lugging 5 gallon cans to the dock.)

    Raised decals look nice, but catch water spray. Better adhesive? We were a Master raft for a little while.

    Slot that bimini attaches to in the corner of the window will wear out and that corner piece will need to be replaced.

    Significant battery draw when not being used.....always turn off battery.

    Center seat back can't be folded while bench seat is up. (you'll realize that AFTER you've tried it once and dinged the upholstery on the side of the bench.)

    Despite a couple quirks, its the best boat out there... Why would they invest the money into a new boat when the brand new Nautique is still arguably no better.

  • wski1831wski1831 Posts: 110 Baller
    Dual side fill would be awesome. The only other thing would be to add a ballast option for trick
    Drago
  • IlivetoskiIlivetoski Posts: 1,166 Crazy Baller
    Why doesn’t every boat & car have dual side fill? I’ve never understood that, it can’t be that expensive to add
    Keith MenardWaterSkier12
  • HortonHorton Posts: 26,537 Administrator
    I don't know about model year changes but I'm pretty sure my 2019 is sold so the wheels are turning on getting my 2020 ordered.

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  • GregHindGregHind Posts: 312 Solid Baller
    How many prostars are sold new each year? Total worldwide? USA?
  • BraceMakerBraceMaker Posts: 3,189 Mega Baller
    edited April 30
    @Ilivetoski agree on boats - on cars it can be way more complex with the evaporative emissions piping as well as one side gets the fuel and often the other side gets the muffler. Plus the fuel fill side takes up space on the interior that is often at a premium.

    Most boats would just need a tank with two necks a deck plate, hose and clamps.
    adamhcaldwell
  • HortonHorton Posts: 26,537 Administrator
    @GregHind I am not sure they make that number public. I know in California alone there are currently seven 2019 promo (or marketing boats).

    FYI they are all for sale at super competitive prices

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  • BoneHeadBoneHead Posts: 5,986
    edited April 30
    I think at one point when the new hull was first being developed(think 2012, when I was in tight with one of their largest dealers), they told me 700 units world wide. 450 to the US and 250 the rest of the world. I have drank a LOT in the 7 years since then. And I drank a lot of wine that night with the MC guys who are now all gone. So I might be completely off base.
    Shane "Crash" Hill

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  • BoneHeadBoneHead Posts: 5,986
    I reserve the right to be wrong
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  • HortonHorton Posts: 26,537 Administrator
    @BoneHead that number seems plausible for all MasterCraft models (I guess)

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  • BoneHeadBoneHead Posts: 5,986
    Hell, I know one dealer was selling 120 units of MC, with only have a dozen being ProStar. There are more than a few 100+ unit dealers in the US alone. So just in the US the entire MC production for all models was in the thousands.
    Shane "Crash" Hill

  • Not_The_PugNot_The_Pug Posts: 562 Solid Baller
    edited April 30
    MC is a publicly traded company, so I'm sure the info is there if someone wants to do the research.
    DragoTheBigHead
  • GregHindGregHind Posts: 312 Solid Baller
    Sounds like there are 50 to 100 promo prostars per year and maybe 500 to 1000 total prostars worldwide. I often hear that 3 event and slalom is an unimportant market with no margins and that probably was true at some point but I don’t believe it for one second now. I think our sport is going through a new heyday. I spend a lot more because I am connected to information and people through the internet. I bet that applies to everyone on this forum. Anyway it must be good for boat sales and margins which is good for investment and development.
    Steven_Haines
  • msuwsmsuws Posts: 40 Baller
    I have heard rumors at boat shows implying an update for 2021. Biggest change will be the trick wake from what I was told.
    scotchipman
  • escmanazeescmanaze Posts: 582 ★★★Triple Panda Award Recipient ★★★
    They already have the #1 most sought after slalom hull. Additionally, the only other competitor to have ever had the #1 slalom hull just released a new hull and appears to, so far, still be in the #2 slot. If you're already on top, seems crazy to go about changing too much.

    Maybe it would be like a TSC1 to TSC2 type change? Nautique was on top back then and was smart enough to only make very small tweaks instead of large changes. I would imagine Mastercraft would be smart enough to take somewhat of a similar path.

    ScottScott
  • swc5150swc5150 Posts: 2,158 ★★★Triple Panda Award Recipient ★★★
    I could see them updating the display, and maybe some cosmetic stuff near term. I'm fine with them leaving the slalom wake alone.
    Scott Calderwood
  • RAWSkiRAWSki Posts: 545 Crazy Baller
    Can't imagine the hull changing, Maybe a 6L base engine, they are the only one's still offering the good-old 5.7L.
  • ScottScottScottScott Posts: 695 Crazy Baller
    I'm not sure what needs to be updated about the display. Its simple, yet complete, as is.....its perfect.
    Horton
  • swc5150swc5150 Posts: 2,158 ★★★Triple Panda Award Recipient ★★★
    I would've agreed about the display until seeing the new SN.
    Scott Calderwood
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