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boat pricing

DockoelbotoDockoelboto Posts: 81 Baller
I'm looking at a well maintained, low hour SN 196.

What do you folks recommend for pricing guides?

I've checked NADA, compared boats on boat trader and inboards only. Any other sources worth checking out? I think his price is a bit high but I don't want to low ball him without reason.

Thanks!
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  • AndreAndre Posts: 1,222 Crazy Baller
    Post some pics and you'll get the best ski boat pricing guide ever made!!!
    Us! :smiley:
    Keith Menard
  • Not_The_PugNot_The_Pug Posts: 590 Solid Baller
    Checking out some of the websites that have pricing will give you a good indication what the range is for your area (Craigs List, Boat Trader and Ski-it-Again). But it really comes down to what are the options for boats in your area. If not willing to have one shipped (extra cost) or you are looking for a particular color/options are all factors to take into account. I was helping a guy in our area find a 200. There were a few closer and the pricing was a little better, but he really didn't want red. So finally settled on a blue one from Colorado (which is is super happy with). There is always going to be a better price by someone on the internet. It all comes down to if you feel you are paying a fair price for a boat that is going to make you happy in the long run.
  • DockoelbotoDockoelboto Posts: 81 Baller
    Thanks everyone! It is a 2005 SN 196 LE, yellow/white/blue in color which I don't mind at all. has all the typical LE features: keyless ignition and PP, overall in great condition and well maintained 290hrs plus upgraded stereo. The pricing on these boats is all over the map, I've seen as low as $13000 up to $29500. This boat is in the PNW and seems like they go for a bit more up there. I'm hoping to get into it for around $23-24k.
  • oldjeepoldjeep Posts: 3,417 Mega Baller
    One thing to remember when looking at boat prices online - those are the boats that have not sold. Not always a good indicator or what things should cost.
    Chuck P
    Not a mechanic but I play one at home
    Bill22Calisdad57Andre
  • MISkierMISkier Posts: 2,551 Mega Baller
    That boat should be upgradeable to Zero Off. I believe the LE has the Excalibur engine. If so, that also makes it a bit more desirable and worth a little extra.
    The worst slalom equipment I own is between my ears.
  • oldjeepoldjeep Posts: 3,417 Mega Baller
    Chuck P
    Not a mechanic but I play one at home
  • Onside135Onside135 Posts: 415 Crazy Baller
    edited May 18
    Shop around...I'd try and be around$20K or less for that year boat. If it has zero off, maybe slightly more. If I was going to pay $24K or more, I'd be looking for an '07-'09 w/Zero off.
  • Onside135Onside135 Posts: 415 Crazy Baller
    edited May 18
    Here is an '05, one owner promo for $18,900 obo. 1100 hrs wouldn't scare me at all on a well maintained boat that I tested before buying.

    http://www.ski-it-again.com/php/skiitagain.php?endless=summer&topic=Search&category=Boat_3Event&postid=50435
  • DockoelbotoDockoelboto Posts: 81 Baller
    it does have the excalibur engine, I'm asking about zero-off. I'm moving to the pnw in 2 weeks and i'd really prefer not to have to fly for a test drive. I'm not a tournament level skier but i just bought a house on a ski lake so i'm looking to improve. i'll keep my eye out and see what happens. thanks again!
    Cooper_Trelawney
  • RednucleusRednucleus Posts: 257 Baller
    @Dockoelboto Welcome to the great PNW! Can you be more specific as to your new home?? (Always looking for a new friend on a lake lol)
    Calisdad57
  • jjackkrashjjackkrash Posts: 566 Crazy Baller
    @Dockoelboto, ya, what lake? (And let me know if you ever want to come ski the pads at Long Lake.)
  • DockoelbotoDockoelboto Posts: 81 Baller
    I bought a house on ski view lane - in thurston county - just a few miles sw of olympia. We are really excited! I'd love to ski the pads at Long lake at some point!. We looked at some homes out there. We are really excited to come back to the PNW, the Army took us to west Texas and we are looking forward to the water again.
    Shark
  • vtjcvtjc Posts: 236 Baller
    I have a spreadsheet I used to track 196 pricing for a few years while I was looking for a boat. I will send you a PM, to send it to you. It has advertised pricing for 150 196s going back to 2016.

    I would recommend you prioritize condition and care(maintenance) over hours. If your budget allows for a $20k+ boat I would recommend you stretch for one with Zero Off, even if you don’t ski tournaments. If everybody else has ZO boats on the lake, they aren’t going to want to go back to Perfect Pass. The 02-06 196 with GM 5.7L PCM EXE 330 hp engines can be converted to ZO, but I found the price difference from them to 07-09 boats with ZO made the conversion unappealing.
    jjackkrash
  • DockoelbotoDockoelboto Posts: 81 Baller
    @vtjc: WOW! Thanks!!! Very kind of you! I appreciate the advice. The boat I've been looking at does not have ZO, just PP. It is crazy how much difference in pricing exists. I think I'll hold out for a boat with ZO, if I can find the right boat. If a boat has been well maintained, in excellent condition, is there a total hours that would scare you away? Seems like a pain to convert to ZO on the pre 2007 boats, probably not worth it. Thanks again!
  • GarGar Posts: 311 Baller
    Get a Zero Off Boat seems there is a 2012 Malibu on ski-it-again asking 34k or spend a little over 10k more and get the 2017 Malibu think it’s in Texas or what the heck take a deep dive and get a promo 19 Prostar with a few hundred hours for a screaming deal! It’s well discussed here CC will be more!
  • DockoelbotoDockoelboto Posts: 81 Baller
    I'm leaning towards shopping around more to find a zero off boat. Seems like it may be worth it especially if I can find one for similar money. The house I bought has a boat house and the boat cradle was designed for CC. I'm sure I could modify it and maybe I wouldn't have to modify at all for malibu or MC hull but I'm not sure. That has been the primary drive for CC. I used to have a 95 prostar 205 that I loved, I'm certainly open to malibu/MC but I want to limited modification if possible. TX/FL seem to have most boats or the mid-west, big surprise. I just really don't want to fly to test drive, if there is something within a few hundred miles of WA I'm willing to drive but I'll try and be patient.
  • DockoelbotoDockoelboto Posts: 81 Baller
    I saw this on ski-it-again:

    http://www.ski-it-again.com/php/skiitagain.php?endless=summer&topic=Search&category=Boat_3Event&postid=50959

    seems like a lot of hours but if maintained I guess it isn't a big deal
  • DockoelbotoDockoelboto Posts: 81 Baller
    or this one:
    http://www.ski-it-again.com/php/skiitagain.php?endless=summer&topic=Search&category=Boat_3Event&postid=50888

    dammit, I was all ready to go but now I want zero off or pay way less than he is asking
  • BraceMakerBraceMaker Posts: 3,709 Mega Baller
    Buy...the...centurion...
  • DockoelbotoDockoelboto Posts: 81 Baller
    I've never been on or skied behind a centurion. Nothing against them, I just know nothing about them. I've been behind the other 3. Maybe I should consider it!
  • GarGar Posts: 311 Baller
    Zero Off is the way to go
  • DockoelbotoDockoelboto Posts: 81 Baller
    Thanks again for the advice, I'm sure I'm not the first to ask these questions, but thanks again!
  • GdubGdub Posts: 4 Baller
    I have a 1998 Ski Nautique with a Doug Moss ZO conversion. Approximately 150 hours on engine. Also brand new trailer. $21500. I’m in central California.
    Mateo_Vargas
  • DockoelbotoDockoelboto Posts: 81 Baller
    anyone in the Denver area want to check out a boat for me?

    https://www.onlyinboards.com/2009-Nautique-196-LE-for-sale-Denver-Colorado-88251.aspx
    jjackkrash
  • LeonLLeonL Posts: 2,344 Crazy Baller
    edited May 19
    Kinda funny that they're apparently using original promotional verbage as if it's still 2009. If the boat is as it appears in the photos the price is in line. Everybody prices for some negotiation room.
    Leon Leonard Stillwater Lake KY - SR Driver SR Judge
  • vtjcvtjc Posts: 236 Baller
    @Dockoelboto
    Your welcome, I hope the data helps you. Not many 196s with Zero Off available at the moment. This 07 196 is across the country in New York.
    I suspect you could adjust your lift to another hull fairly easily.
    Good luck in your search!
  • powbmpspowbmps Posts: 115 Baller
    @Dockoelboto have you skied a boat with Zero-Off? I am a non-tournament skier looking to improve as well. We rotate between three boats: 2003 LXi with PP Z-Box, 2005 LXi with PP, and 2017 Prostar with Zero-Off. Maybe slightly noticeable differences in pull, but no one complains about using any of them.

    In my opinion (not worth much), it's more about spending quality time on the water with friends while trying to get better at it. You would have to be pretty uptight to turn down a ski because of PP.
  • BraceMakerBraceMaker Posts: 3,709 Mega Baller
    edited May 20
    @powbmps the issue to me is less one of difference in pull than the fact that you'll only see very late model ZO boats. To the point where some skiers dont want to be behind anything but the latest 1-2 years due to changes in ZO and engines and hulls.

    If any of the big 3 sold a boat with PP all of a sudden skiers would have to ski behind both. We won't see that till ZO parents expire and someone sees fit to compete or IMO the first electric tournament boat could be PP.
    powbmps
  • DockoelbotoDockoelboto Posts: 81 Baller
    @powbmps

    I have not skied behind a zero-off boat. frankly most of the boats I learned to ski behind had nothing. My last boat - 1995 prostar 205 had nothing and I loved it but I certainly wished I had some speed control. I certainly wouldn't turn down a pull because the boat doesn't have ZO. The boat I have been looking at is more than enough for my needs, I can always upgrade it to the latest PP/stargazer/z-box. It will honestly come down to price. He seems to be asking a premium based on no objective data. I did find another one not too far for closer to 22K, has a few more hours but otherwise is the same. Hopefully I can get in to one of these for closer to 20K. If I get lucky and find the "right" boat with ZO I'd certainly jump on it. It does seem that the latest edition of z-box is much better. If I ever get that serious I would probably also buy a newer boat. For now I can't justify spending big big bucks on a depreciating asset. At least we aren't talking surf boats, those are crazy money.
    powbmps
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