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2006 Response transmission leak

SDNAH2OSKIERSDNAH2OSKIER Posts: 309 Baller
OK, so the boat was off the water for almost two years. It sits covered under cover in San Diego, but as we all know, boats do not like to sit. We had it out weekend before last and the trans slipped pulling me out. Checked the trans and fluid was low. I know I had checked it prior to taking it out and it was full. I topped it off, but after a couple of runs it had already pissed out a noticeable amount into the bilge. Guessing output shaft seal? Or?????


My question, I did some poking around, its a job to get it out and replace the seal, if that is in fact the cause of the leak, but I would like opinions, should I go the extra and rebuild it? Boat is in great condition and we all like it and have no $$ desire to get a newer hull, but I also don't want to do it just for fun. When the fluid was at the proper fill level it operates correctly and we only noticed the slipping twice. TY!!!!


-Doug
Doug Roberts San Diego, CA ski rating: 2 balls

Comments

  • eyepeelereyepeeler Posts: 169 Baller
    Double check the tranny hoses. I had a leak at the tranny hose connection once. Replaced the hose and all is good.
    Matt Dillon
  • LeonLLeonL Posts: 2,339 Crazy Baller
    You got nothing to lose, so try Lucas transmission fix. It may take some time but it works pretty good.
    Leon Leonard Stillwater Lake KY - SR Driver SR Judge
  • SDNAH2OSKIERSDNAH2OSKIER Posts: 309 Baller
    We ski out at the river, its not a place where I can afford to try something like the Lucas product. I inspected it, its dripping off the centerline of the belly of the trans housing, that was my reason for suspecting the shaft seal. I am trying to get my buddy (owns a shop) over here to properly diagnose, but it is a significant leak. Thanks for the input!
    Doug Roberts San Diego, CA ski rating: 2 balls
  • UWSkierUWSkier Posts: 1,155 Mega Baller
    That's a fantastic boat. Have you been able to find the source of the leak? I agree with @eyepeeler that it's more likely a dried out and cracked hose or a loose fitting than a seal.
  • SDNAH2OSKIERSDNAH2OSKIER Posts: 309 Baller
    I will check again tomorrow, but its going to the shop. Needs trailer tires too. $$$$$$ $300 a pull...… : )
    Doug Roberts San Diego, CA ski rating: 2 balls
  • DWDW Posts: 1,991 Mega Baller
    @SDNAH2OSKIER - when I have a fluid leak (oil) that I am not sure of the origin, I make up some diapers to wrap or place underneath to see if I can more accurately determine the source location. Due to the inlet air venting many times on a ski boat the oil smear can move relative to the actual source. Also, make sure the oil is the color you expect as an additional data point. You could take a pet pad and tape it to the bottom of the bellhousing to verify the fluid is from the tranny inlet seal, put one below the output shaft to verify outlet seal (tape it to the hull). On the inlet side, you can also pull the top site plug on the bellhousing and wipe your finger inside to see if there is an oil smear there, the flywheel should fling it around in there. For the hoses, simply wrap one or a paper towel around any damp areas you see. That may help you pinpoint the specific location.
  • AndreAndre Posts: 1,218 Crazy Baller
    edited September 5
    Triple check the hoses first like mentionned before.I know a guy soooooo stupid who got the tranny out himself,changed both seals,and reinstalled everything only to find out that a hose was pissing like hell when you accelerated.
    Wonder who could be so dumb... :*
    UWSkierRednucleusJordankpickett
  • SDNAH2OSKIERSDNAH2OSKIER Posts: 309 Baller
    @Andre could def be me... I am looking for a diagram of the assembly if anyone has a link or a good exploded/clear view of the trans. I am going to clean up all the fluid and thought I would run it for a couple of minutes, but out of the water with no load on the shaft not sure what I will see. On my old Sportster, I could clearly see the cooling lines and oil cooler, this boat is not the same though, does it have an ATF oil cooler? Great info as always, I will follow up in a couple hours and let you know if I was able to pinpoint something. It is most def ATF fluid though.
    Doug Roberts San Diego, CA ski rating: 2 balls
  • SDNAH2OSKIERSDNAH2OSKIER Posts: 309 Baller
    OK, update, I found the cooling lines, followed them to the exchanger, everything is fine up front. I can clearly see the line on the port side, DOES NOT appear to be leaking. I cannot clearly see the other line going into the top of the trans, it is blocked by box holding some electronic gear, is it the perfect pass??? I don't think so, but the throttle cable from PP is attached on the port side.

    I have wiped the box and bilge area down very well, if there were a visible oil path, I should be able to see it. Having wiped it down, there was nothing apparent at all INCLUDING the rear seal. When I first looked at it, I could clearly feel fresh fluid along the bottom of case, today, I ran my finger around the lower back half of the case, basically the half circle below the output shaft seal and it felt DRY. ??????

    So, I didn't want to wake up my neighbors, but I am going to put a hose on it and let it run for a minute, but not sure that is going to help much, I don't want to put it in gear with no water getting to the water box???? Any ideas here?
    Doug Roberts San Diego, CA ski rating: 2 balls
  • eyepeelereyepeeler Posts: 169 Baller
    You have to check that hard to get to tranny hose connection. That is exactly where I had my leak.
    Matt Dillon
    SDNAH2OSKIER
  • SDNAH2OSKIERSDNAH2OSKIER Posts: 309 Baller
    @eyepeeler You are a genius...…
    Doug Roberts San Diego, CA ski rating: 2 balls
  • SDNAH2OSKIERSDNAH2OSKIER Posts: 309 Baller
    @eyepeeler Did you replace the whole line? Looks like the original marks still line up so guessing the coupling is failing??? I am a happy kid, thanks for the help!
    Doug Roberts San Diego, CA ski rating: 2 balls
  • eyepeelereyepeeler Posts: 169 Baller
    edited September 5
    They have them at Skidim. They used to be $22 I think. FYI I have large hands and I had to have my wife come out and help me because I couldn't get my hands to that tough hose connection. You would think that it's time to replace both lines but I just replaced the leaking line and it worked out fine. On mine, the metal joint adjacent to the coupling failed.
    Matt Dillon
  • SDNAH2OSKIERSDNAH2OSKIER Posts: 309 Baller
    Cool, that is what I was thinking. I was going to pull off that big metal bracket, its only two bolts then I will have ready access. I don't have big hands but I can tell from looking at it, that's not happening.....

    The other line is fine, its got another 3 months at least. :D B)
    Doug Roberts San Diego, CA ski rating: 2 balls
  • SDNAH2OSKIERSDNAH2OSKIER Posts: 309 Baller
    OK, I totally forgot this was a boat for about an hour, what was I thinking. I went back out to get the part # off the cooling line, bick thick stripe of ATF down the centerline of the bilge. That did not come off the cooling line. : (


    Here is a pic of the coupling that connects it to the prop shaft, it is leaking badly on the prop shaft side, leaking onto the prop shaft and off the bottom of the coupling.



    Doug Roberts San Diego, CA ski rating: 2 balls
  • vernonreevevernonreeve Posts: 86 Baller
    On a separate semi-related note: If you loosen those 4 nuts, you can double check to be sure your shaft is still aligned by checking the gap where the plates meet with a feeler gauge. Turns out the engine tends to settle in its mounts, causing downward pressure on the Cutlass bearing in the strut the shaft passes through. That bearing would probably last forever if the shaft was aligned, but ours was oval shaped and almost wore through, so we had to replace that bearing and get the engine realigned.
  • SDNAH2OSKIERSDNAH2OSKIER Posts: 309 Baller
    I am getting the transmission cooling line ordered. I know that has failed so step 1. But I am at a loss as to where its leaking from other than there. The boat has not even been turned over, no pressure in the system. I need a bore scope so I can clean it up and look up under it right after I top it off.
    Doug Roberts San Diego, CA ski rating: 2 balls
  • Zoro957Zoro957 Posts: 60 Baller
    You can buy endoscope that connects to your phone at Amazon for about $20. You can look behind things really well with them
  • SDNAH2OSKIERSDNAH2OSKIER Posts: 309 Baller
    OK, latest update, there is a small threaded screw hole in the bottom of the flange pictured above. A. Why would there be fluid in this flange to begin with? And B. is there in fact supposed to be a screw in there? TY
    Doug Roberts San Diego, CA ski rating: 2 balls
  • AndreAndre Posts: 1,218 Crazy Baller
    Could be an Allen set screw...oil must have splash there somehow or someone dropped some oil while filling tranny...my guess.No fluid in the flange.
  • shyskiershyskier Posts: 40 Baller
    If I understand correct, you are saying the leak is at the prop shaft side of flange it would have to be from the splines inside of the flange.See this in auto world & seal with thread sealant.
  • SDNAH2OSKIERSDNAH2OSKIER Posts: 309 Baller
    edited September 6
    OK time to play "name that leaky seal" Anyone see this before? Its the very back of the trans assembly, not sure of the terminology, but flange, prop shaft coupler? Must be a seal at the very end that gave up its ghost. Elapsed time is about an hour. And this is completely static, not even moved by hand. Topped it off and came back an hour later.




    Doug Roberts San Diego, CA ski rating: 2 balls
  • BraceMakerBraceMaker Posts: 3,629 Mega Baller
    Trans output seal
    SDNAH2OSKIER
  • BraceMakerBraceMaker Posts: 3,629 Mega Baller
    It's not part of the coupling but you have to pull shaft then the trans coupling then the shaft seal.

    Assuming you blocked fluid from running down the case
  • JordanJordan Posts: 1,152 ★★★Triple Panda Award Recipient ★★★
    Rear seal dripping down the shaft and falling off of the coupler.
  • DavidNDavidN Posts: 261 Solid Baller
    edited September 7
    Output shaft seal.
    #2 in the parts diagram.



    SDNAH2OSKIER
  • SDNAH2OSKIERSDNAH2OSKIER Posts: 309 Baller
    Thanks guys, its going to the shop and shut us down for next weekend. Boo....
    Doug Roberts San Diego, CA ski rating: 2 balls
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