What will prove to be the most significant advancement in slalom ski design?

h20yah20ya Posts: 7
edited June 2012 in Skis Fins Bindings

What will prove to be the most significant advancement in slalom ski design? 37 votes

Wider skis
13%
dislandblockh20yaKMMortyski 5 votes
Step bottom
18%
swerveitrodaMickeyThompsonWishdbskiaussiemcMoskier3ev 7 votes
No core construction
10%
PhilshoeskimanEd_JohnsonE_T 4 votes
Other
56%
Hortonauskier[Deleted User]eleeskiskibugscotchipmandrewBoodySkiRVJC McCavitBoneHeadAlvin_NeffKillertjmTom AndersonJody_SealWIskierTylerRjackskizplol 21 votes
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  • MSMS Posts: 4,298 Mega Baller
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    Its all going back to the designs of the 2000s with better materials.
    Shut up and ski
  • HortonHorton Posts: 23,681 Administrator
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    For the foreseeable future there is not major “step change” in ski performance. None of the things listed in this poll are magic bullets. Skis are getting better but not in huge steps.

    Some skis are getting wider. The Goode Wide Ride is no longer a hot product. It was a neat idea and a few skiers had some big scores on it but it is not the future. Other skis seen to be getting wider but more important is proportions and tapers. The AM 33 67 is a BIG ski but it works because of the tapers and overall shape.

    The step bottom thing is interesting. Only the test teams know what those skis ride like with normal tunnels. My guess is that it makes a ski faster but is not radical. I know that tunnel depth and radius make a difference but again there is no magic bullet.

    Hollow core skis could change how skis are made and may ski good but no one is going to pick up 6 balls because the ski is hollow.

    If a ski with or without any of these features is well designed and fits your style you will ski better.

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  • thagerthager Posts: 3,815 Mega Baller
    How about a scoop on the top deck to inject air down into the tunnel. Sort of a boundry layer control. Bring back textured bottoms.
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  • HortonHorton Posts: 23,681 Administrator
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    @thager
    25 years ago I would think that was a great idea => today... not so much

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  • scotchipmanscotchipman Posts: 3,663
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    It has already happened, CARBON FIBER and the GOODE 9100!
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  • HortonHorton Posts: 23,681 Administrator
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    @scotchipman most high end skis have been carbon for over 15 years and the 9100 is how old? Zzzzzzzzzzz

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  • teammalibuteammalibu Posts: 584 Crazy Baller
    Mid Mid Nano Nano!!! Rachs
    Mike Erb Cedar Ridge Canton Miss.
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  • eleeskieleeski Posts: 3,063 MM Trick Skier / Eccentric Person
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    Narrow tails. Boron fibers. Wallboard textured bottoms. Extra fins (maybe not). Rum inspired features sometimes make it to the water - some of what makes it to the water even works. Then they copy me!

    Eric
  • thagerthager Posts: 3,815 Mega Baller
    @ Horton Hollow skis were first made in the 70s. Don't forget honeycomb and foam. Flat bottoms, Venturi tunnels, funnel tunnels, parabolic, wide, narrow, triple, double, and single tunnels, and stepped bottoms. They've been there done that. Many fin shapes have passed us by. God knows how many ski shapes with fat heads, skinny heads, wide bevels, skinny bevels, not to mention blended bevels and hand tunable bevel skis. Fiberglass, kevlar, graphite and Carbon graphite construction. Boron is coming. Don't forget cross hatched and textured bottoms. What's the most significant advance in ski design? Ask the sales promoters. PTB says "there's always another one coming around the corner".
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  • KillerKiller Posts: 236 Baller
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    the invisible ski
  • SkiJaySkiJay Posts: 2,160 Mega Baller
    Whatever it is, it will cost more.
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  • dislanddisland Posts: 1,053 Crazy Baller
    Wider skis
    what is boron
    Dave Island- Princeton Lakes
  • scotchipmanscotchipman Posts: 3,663
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    @Horton, The 9100 cam out over 16 yrs ago in 1996. Goode claims to have introduced the first all carbon fiber ski in 1994. Does anyone know what is was called? 9000? By most accounts (not me, my first Goode was the 9700) the 9100 was a game changer.
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  • auskierauskier Posts: 440 Baller
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    boron is the next step material that will replace carbon fibre. It has one less atom than carbon - therefore potentially lighter and is stronger than carbon as a polymer. Would basically be the most expensive ski ever made right now. Its properties and potential of what could be done with it, would make todays top carbon and RTM skis look like a pair of 1950s dick pope jr combos.

    Now how do we get eric to make one? anyone got some spare boron to give him? ;)
    Toby Daff
  • HortonHorton Posts: 23,681 Administrator
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    @auskier

    Two things:
    do not feed the bears
    do not encourage Eric

    Boron has been around longer than CF. Is not practical for sporting goods.

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  • Chef23Chef23 Posts: 4,856 Mega Baller
    There were some tennis rackets with boron in them in the 80s but I don't know if there are still any today. @Horton why isn't boron practical is it a price issue?
    Mark Shaffer
  • RichRich Posts: 242 Open or 55K Rated Skier
    1st Goodes were I think were designed by Bob Lapoint & Dave. Tunnel bottom, pretty crude looking compared to the 9100. I watched Bob ski on it in the 95 Nationals At Okeehelee. He fell at 35. The next year Dave came out with the 9100. The 9100 is still a great ski, I still have mine, and I know I could pull it out and run to with in 2 bouys of my PB. Someone from outside of water skiing may collaborate with a well managed ski company and create something really different that works. Its interesting that top skiers become ski designers. In no other sport does a top athlete usally become a coach (Not untill they retire from competition) or a race car driver become an engine builder. Great Athletes are gifted individuals with physical gifts & drive that allow them to become great. I would think that the next great break through may come from an engineer type who is thinking way outside the box who is gifted with a mind for design and aided by someone with very deep pockets and has a passion to build a ski. It will be interesting if we ever see that combo in this sport. How are the best snow skis built? By whom? How about surfboards? Wind surfing?
    Who engineers the best cars? I think our sport is really just in the garage state that those others were in many years ago untill BIG money found them. Then engineers created the "toys" that Great athletes could use. Can you imagine if an engineering team with 20 million could design? Skied on by an individual with the athletic talent of Michael Jordan? Big money! Thinking about it, I kind of like it like it is. On the BIG MONEY model pros would taking down 43 and we'd be where? Haha!
  • BoneHeadBoneHead Posts: 5,807
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    @scotchipman First Goode was an 8800 if I recall. I remember an ad in one of the magazines in 94-95 for it. It didn't have a number printed on the top sheet, just Goode. When the 9000 came out, it had the number on it.
    Shane "Crash" Hill

  • HortonHorton Posts: 23,681 Administrator
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    @scotchipman
    9100 was 16 years ago. In near history I would say the Mid is a bigger deal.

    @Rich
    Waterski design is done by feel. Yes they start with goal and a design idea but it is not like a race car where they can use CFD and simulators. Every ski product I can think of that was mostly designed by a non-skier did not work.

    It is not like engine design where you can dive into the math.

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  • RichRich Posts: 242 Open or 55K Rated Skier
    I may rattle some cages here, I don't think the best design engineers have worked on the product because of a lack of money. I may be wrong. My point is with 20 million to spend and hire the best engineers I believe a superior ski would be designed if they could make 25 mil. Real simulators designed, The whole sport lacks money. If BIG money enticed the best athletes into water sking instead of other sports the bar would be much higher. However that being said, I like it just the way it is, backyard, its more about passion, not money.
    Than_Bogan
  • HortonHorton Posts: 23,681 Administrator
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    @Rich
    Well yea ... and if monkeys could fly...

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  • RichRich Posts: 242 Open or 55K Rated Skier
    LOL True
  • Than_BoganThan_Bogan Posts: 5,632 Mega Baller
    @Rich @Horton. Agree with both of you. Huge money thrown at some major engineering would likely produce something revolutionary. And that ain't happening.
    Nathaniel Bogan -- GUT Padawan
  • MSMS Posts: 4,298 Mega Baller
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    Are there any Mapple skis out there yet?
    Shut up and ski
  • HortonHorton Posts: 23,681 Administrator
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    @MS yea they are filling orders now. Until they get production fully up to speed I think they do not want to make too much noise. I am pretty sure Adam nearly lives at the factory.

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  • MSMS Posts: 4,298 Mega Baller
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    Lots of hype for a ski that nobody has yet.
    Shut up and ski
  • thagerthager Posts: 3,815 Mega Baller
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    Maybe there's a job for me when I retire!
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  • WishWish Posts: 6,769 Mega Baller
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    Well it is Andy. Hype follows him.
    >>> 11.25..a different kettle of fish. <<<
  • HortonHorton Posts: 23,681 Administrator
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    @MS I have skied on it. I have seen the skis. No ski company goes from nothing to full production over nite.

    Go find a Monza and shut up

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