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B2 Lightweight Rope Option Approved by AWSA for 2013 (starting next week)

ToddLToddL Posts: 2,723 Mega Baller
edited August 2012 in Rules/Politics/Issues
Per message from @jdarwin, "B2 light rope rule just passed the board. After Nationals, B2 will be able to use the youth slalom line."

I told my son and he about tackled me with a hug!

-- The future of skiing depends upon welcoming novice skiers regardless of age to our sport.
Than_Bogan

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  • Than_BoganThan_Bogan Posts: 6,043 Mega Baller
    Yay!!! Good work Todd.
    Nathaniel Bogan -- GUT Padawan
  • LakeOneSkierLakeOneSkier Posts: 247 Baller
    What's the best source for a light rope?
    Baller Index: -31.67
  • WBLskierWBLskier Posts: 430 Baller
    where are the junior weight ropes sold? recommendations on a good one?
  • ToddLToddL Posts: 2,723 Mega Baller
    edited August 2012
    I know of two sources:
    MasterlineUSA & Brenda with InTow
    My son likes his MasterlineUSA.
    http://www.masterlineusa.com/Masterline/Pro-Series-Ropes/P10-75M_2

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    @mlusa
    -- The future of skiing depends upon welcoming novice skiers regardless of age to our sport.
  • DragoDrago Posts: 1,251 Mega Baller
    Todd: thanks to you! Awesome presentation to the rules committee.
    SR SL Judge & Driver (“a driver who is super late on the wheel and is out of sync”)
  • LeonLLeonL Posts: 2,255 Crazy Baller
    @Toddl, are there any conditions/restrictions? On the other thread there were possibly "if's" with regard to start speed, etc.
    Leon Leonard Stillwater Lake KY - SR Driver SR Judge
  • DragoDrago Posts: 1,251 Mega Baller
    Look at anoincement on awsa web page: I see no restrictions
    SR SL Judge & Driver (“a driver who is super late on the wheel and is out of sync”)
  • ToddLToddL Posts: 2,723 Mega Baller
    No restrictions. B2 just added to the list of divisions which are allowed.

    http://www.usawaterski.org/default.asp?Display=1488
    -- The future of skiing depends upon welcoming novice skiers regardless of age to our sport.
  • thompjsthompjs Posts: 530 Solid Baller
    So I guess we are going to have to have loops to 39 for these ropes now?
  • ToddLToddL Posts: 2,723 Mega Baller
    @thompjs - Why??? The lightweight rope is an option. Thus, if a skier is skiing beyond the available loops on the lightweight ropes, then the skier does not need to exercise the option of using one. Currently, Russell's junior rope has -35. Brenda/InTow's rope has -32. Top B1 skier is not skiing beyond that. However, it is possible that a under 12 skier who is under 100 lbs may be able to ski into 38 off someday. If that skier prefers the lightweight rope, he (or she) will have to contact a rope manufacturer and have one made, I guess...

    I think some of the reasone why the rule was changed may be due to these assuptions:
    1) B2/G2 Skiers skiing into -35 off and higher should be using a standard rope
    2) Most -35 off and higher skiers in B2/G2 are larger/older and already would choose the standard rope.
    -- The future of skiing depends upon welcoming novice skiers regardless of age to our sport.
  • elrelr Posts: 243 Mega Baller
    edited August 2012
    @thompjs - since the B2 record is 2 @ -39 and there are no restrictions on use of the light line in that division it would probably be prudent to go to -41 in order to be equitable to all B2 skiers and account for inevitable progress. The other way to go that would be in compliance with 8.04(C) would be for the Technical Committee to only approve a single piece 21.5m line and a 1.5m handle section - e.g. no take off loops.

    Rule 8.04(C) [as I'm positive you know from experience] reads as follows:

    The tow lines must be made in two sections consisting of a single line 21.5 meters long (70' 6.5") and a handle section 1.5 meters long (4'11"). Twopiece lines must be provided by the Tournament Committee, and the 21.5- meter section, which can be attached to the contestant's handle section by looping the lines together, must be made available. In addition, colored multisection lines may be used if the Technical Committee has specifically approved their design and type.

    Looks like the its been thrown over to the Technical Committee to decide.
    Ed Rink - LSF Texas
  • thompjsthompjs Posts: 530 Solid Baller
    My question was, "What are you going to do when skier wants light line and runs -35 and you don't have that loop"

    I wish they had defined a light line of having certain loops.

  • jdarwinjdarwin Posts: 1,379 ★★★Triple Panda Award Recipient ★★★
    We"ve sold a few of the ML versions and they measure out very well. I was glad to be a part of the decision process.
    Joe Darwin
  • Than_BoganThan_Bogan Posts: 6,043 Mega Baller
    When I'm the Chief Judge, I'm gonna switch 'em to the regular rope as soon as they run out of sections on the light one. Don't see that as frequent -- in fact my guess of how often I'll see that is "never." But if it were to happen, I think it's a simple decision what to do.
    Nathaniel Bogan -- GUT Padawan
  • Than_BoganThan_Bogan Posts: 6,043 Mega Baller
    Also, let the countdown begin to Horton coming in here and asking everyone to use their real names for this sort of discussion. 10 ... 9 ....
    Nathaniel Bogan -- GUT Padawan
  • thompjsthompjs Posts: 530 Solid Baller
    Than, I thought I had fixed that name issue, done now.

    Probably not going to see that situation for B2, but stuff like this ends up in a protest or some harsh words at a Regionals or Nationals.
  • thompjsthompjs Posts: 530 Solid Baller
    test
  • elrelr Posts: 243 Mega Baller
    I'm sure Masterline and/or In-tow can make light lines with take off loops to -43 if needed -- probably not for next week but soon thereafter.
    Ed Rink - LSF Texas
  • ToddLToddL Posts: 2,723 Mega Baller
    @thompjs I understand your point about a protest... That would not be a good situation. However, I also think that any skier who is skiing up to -35 off in the B1/G1 or B2/G2 age groups is very well aready aware of the available loops on the lines. If they are getting close to running -35 in practice, I bet they are also experimenting with the standard rope already. Further, I don't think any skier over 100 lbs who is skiing max speed (34 MPH in B2) would opt for the light line as I see/assume no advantage at that point. As @Than said... "never" gonna happen. Well, never say never, but less than 0.001% probability.

    The portion of 8.04 rule which @elr quoted is the minimal requirement of a rope. It is not the only format that a rope can take. Thus, the rules allow for ropes with take-off loops as long as the available loops and subsequent lengths are organized per the spec and within the tolerances specified (Tow Line Demensions in the Appendix). There is no requirement that all towropes must have all take-off loops to -43.
    -- The future of skiing depends upon welcoming novice skiers regardless of age to our sport.
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