2013 Ski Nautique 200 Throttle Handle

ScarletArrowScarletArrow Posts: 742 Solid Baller
I've driven 2 new 200's this year and they both have the new throttle handle which is appears to be completely redesigned.

I don't like it.

The old throttle handle was spherical shaped while the new one is triangular, sits higher (bad ergonomics) and is very "sticky" - i.e. not real smooth getting in and out of gear.

Is my experience unique, or have others experienced this too?
Anthony Warren
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  • skibugskibug Posts: 1,882 Crazy Baller
    yes, it is not good.
    Bob Grizzi
  • BoneHeadBoneHead Posts: 5,806
    You can make it better. But it's still a terrible design. If you pull the engine cover and look at the shifter cable, you'll see a bracket that the sheath is attached to that's also bolted to the transmission. Chances are it's putting the cable in a bind. You can play with that brackets alignment to get a better shifter feel. Also, there is a tension adjustment set screw on the throttle itself. You can use an allen wrench to adust the drag on the sweep. Still, it's a terrible design.
    Shane "Crash" Hill

  • Jody_SealJody_Seal Posts: 2,149 Mega Baller
    I don't have a problem with how the throttle lever arm operates. I find it positive and a far safer design then the previous Teleflex / Morse. Some of the earlier boats in 13 had some linkage problems that stemmed back to PCM changing their selector valve arm on their transmissions. I talked to a Engineer at Nautiques over the weekend about the throttle ball/knob itself and that is what I do not like, digs into my hands after a few skiers.
    Keep in mind the Centurion is utilizing the same throttle just a slightly different arm and knob. I dont like their throttle knob as it continues to have a sloppy loose feel where it is attached to the Arm.
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  • Jody_SealJody_Seal Posts: 2,149 Mega Baller
    @MISkier we don't know if that dog will hunt as of yet!
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  • MISkierMISkier Posts: 1,854 Mega Baller
    @Jody_Seal, I haven't seen it or skied it so I don't know if it will, either. I guess I just built on the buzz and momentum. For full disclosure, I have always liked the Nautiques and have preferred their wake over the 190/197 for every model year since 1997.
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  • chris_loganchris_logan Posts: 349 Solid Baller
    @ScarletArrow I have had similar negative experiences with the new knob. The one on the particular boat I was driving also made it difficult to decipher when you were in/out of gear. It seemed as though it was almost a surprise to be in or out of gear when starting/dropping a skier.
    Always looking for a pull... Will you be my boatdriver?
  • lpskierlpskier Posts: 1,818 Mega Baller
    The throttle cable will break in. It is touchy at first, but you will get used to it. It is a safer design as you can keep the throttle ball in your fingers while at skiing speeds with your arm comfortably on the arm rest, which in turn allows you to pull back on the throttle much more quickly in the event of an emergency. I didn't like it at first, but I like it better than the old throttle now. I do not need to swap out the boat underneath as suggested by @MISkier, but I like the way he thinks outside the box.
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  • LeonLLeonL Posts: 1,898 Crazy Baller
    I don't like the feel of the linkage nor do I like the feel of the knob. The one I've had occasion to,drive has not improved by break-in.
    Leon Leonard Stillwater Lake KY - SR Driver SR Judge
    ScarletArrow
  • BoneHeadBoneHead Posts: 5,806
    I've driven 7 different '13 200s this year in tournaments or practice. All of them sucked. Some were downright dangerous. I was in the boat as a judge when a Sr 3 event driver who has driven multiple nationals couldn't get the throttle into reverse and hit the dock.
    Shane "Crash" Hill

  • skibugskibug Posts: 1,882 Crazy Baller
    I second @ShaneH sentiment.
    Bob Grizzi
  • ScarletArrowScarletArrow Posts: 742 Solid Baller
    If they don't find a retrofit for this - the 2013 is going to be a year everyone avoids on resale.

    Worst thing that could happen with the introduction of the new PS.
    Anthony Warren
  • acmxacmx Posts: 205 Baller
    I just find it completely amazing Correct Craft would release the boat with that horrible throttle. It's the first thing I noticed when I drove my freinds 2013 promo. I'm a Nautique owner by the way, so not being a "hater".
  • LeonLLeonL Posts: 1,898 Crazy Baller
    In addition, like @ShaneH said, Becky Lathrop (most of you know her) told me back early in the year that she returned her promo to the dealer telling him that the throttle has to be fixed before someone gets hurt. They are kinda dangerous.
    Leon Leonard Stillwater Lake KY - SR Driver SR Judge
  • eurosporteurosport Posts: 52 Baller
    Our 2013 promo does the same thing. We played with the cable and it is "better" but still very stiff. Was wondering if it was just our cable that was stiff but seems its a design flaw. Hopefully Nautique will make a fix for this problem if so many are having problems. This is our second "used" promo we have bought had a 2012 last year for a month and a half before selling it to pick up a 2013 in November. Anyone else notice the engine cover doesn't fit as well as the 2012 making the boat seem much louder? Boat still skis fine its just as if the quality control was a little bit lax during this batch (which is suprising since Nautique usually has such strict quality control)
  • TheBigHeadTheBigHead Posts: 25 Baller
    I will echo the statements above, 2012 club boat had a much better throttle feel than the 2013. 300 hours and it hasn't gotten any better. Drove a different 2013 and it was the same.
  • JordanJordan Posts: 841 ★★★Triple Panda Award Recipient ★★★
    why did the throttle need to be changed?
  • SkiJaySkiJay Posts: 2,150 Mega Baller
    edited August 2013
    @Jordan The new handle has a shorter throw. This makes it easier for the driver to keep his/her hand comfortably on the throttle at all times, which in turn makes it easier for the driver to chop the throttle quickly in response to an emergency, or when a skier in practice is about to take a huge needless hit from a mile of slack at the exit gate. Likely a lot of the stiffness is a consequence of the lower mechanical advantage inherent with using a shorter throw to move the same linkages the same distance at the other end of the cable.

    Actually, this doesn't answer your question. The throttle lever probably didn't "need" to be changed at all. Good question.
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  • BoneHeadBoneHead Posts: 5,806
    The ONLY thing I like about the new throttle is it's shorter throw.
    Shane "Crash" Hill

  • A_BA_B Posts: 3,770 Mega Baller
    It's not the same Correct Craft Company IMO, function over form use to be the motto...

    And, I have only owned CC's since 1978 just to qualify my position.
  • skibugskibug Posts: 1,882 Crazy Baller
    Not to hijack the thread....but....our 2012 TXI has what I would consider the best throttle I have driven. I would hope they kept it the same for the 2013 and beyond. It is a short throw and a thumb actuated safety button top dead center on the knob. It is a very smooth engagement through the entire (short range) of the throttle.
    Bob Grizzi
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  • Nick SullivanNick Sullivan Posts: 676 Baller
    I'm not sure its Correct Craft, I believe the change was done from PCM. Any of you driven a 13 Centurion, its the same.
  • jhughesjhughes Posts: 655 Crazy Baller
    @skibug I was just going to say no matter how bad the 2013 CC throttle is it can't be worse than that center-button, binary Malibu throttle! :p Talk about dangerous- 1" of movement and you're at WOT. Can't stand it. I guess to each his own.
  • skibugskibug Posts: 1,882 Crazy Baller
    I can easily "baby" someone up with the TXI; the 2013 SN200 throttle cable is so stiff I experience just the opposite @jhughes. It only takes 1" to engage the throttle and it seems to be all or none at that point. If you back off it during a pull up you are at risk of jerking around the skier. In the drops; it shuts down just as quick, no easing into the set down. None are perfect for everyone; but, I haven't talked to anyone that likes the 2013 SN200 throttle. More than anything, it is what @rico said, knowing whether you are in nuetral or not is the issue.
    Bob Grizzi
  • ScarletArrowScarletArrow Posts: 742 Solid Baller
    Has this issue been made known on planetnautique? I don't go there as much as I used to, but I know the CC staff pay attention to what's being said over there.

    I can't believe they wouldn't have some kind of test team before rolling out a significant change like that - why not have someone like Becky Lathrop or Jack Travers field test it first?
    Anthony Warren
  • racerdjsracerdjs Posts: 35 Baller
    I have a 2011 Nautique 200 and one of my lake partners received his 2013 in May. I have not warmed to his yet. Terrible throttle action. Hopefully 2014 will fix this problem that seems universal.
  • BoneHeadBoneHead Posts: 5,806
    Anthony, CC knows all about it. They feel it's safer. I've spoken to their Quality and Warranty manager as well as the R&D manager. Personally, I don't get their logic as I've seen way to many boats almost hit things because the driver couldn't find neutral and reverse. The 200 wasn't the only boat to get it. All of CC's boats got it. As well as that damn tree trunk thick steering wheel. For me, the feel of the boat was ruined because the two things I use to interface to it(the wheel and throttle) were changed. Good thing the boats don't have brakes, otherwise they probably would have went to a bigfoot brake pedal too. :)
    Shane "Crash" Hill

    ScarletArrow
  • ctsmithctsmith Posts: 281 Baller
    Shane, if CC acknowledged that it wasn't as safe might that open them up to liability? Just saying I would expect that response regardless.
  • BoneHeadBoneHead Posts: 5,806
    Well, of course. That goes without saying. But instead of saying it's AS SAFE as the previous, they indicate that they feel it is SAFER.
    Shane "Crash" Hill

  • ctsmithctsmith Posts: 281 Baller
    edited August 2013
    They knew they had to put extra bait on the hook for you :)
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