Radar Vapor Review

HortonHorton Posts: 23,672 Administrator
edited October 2013 in Ski Tests

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The Radar Vapor is the 4th completely new ski from Radar Skis since the company was founded by Herb O’Brien in 2007. The color and graphic design cues for the Vapor invoke the image of a Lamborghini super car, which after considerable thought I believe is misguided.  The cars built by Lamborghini are known as overly aggressive machines with excessive horse power best driven by only the most skilled pilots. On the other hand the Vapor is one of the most refined and user friendly skis on the market.

The Vapor is an all new shape but the best elements of past Radars can be found in the ski. The consistency and speed of the Strada; the astounding on side turn of the RS-1; and the angle of the MPD can all be felt in the Vapor.

The widest spot of the Vapor’s silhouette  is farther forward than previous Radar’s making it appear wider, but this is an illusion. The new shape results in additional support under foot as the skier approaches the ball. As a result the skier feels comfortable moving their weight forward as they approach the apex.

vapor-2From the wake to the ball

If the Vapor had to be described by only one attribute, it would be that the ski consistently puts the skier on a path that is wide and early. Poor handle control or other unfortunate technique by the skier is inexplicably forgiven on the way to the ball line. Somehow the ski just gets the skier in front of the ball.

The Vapor is a fast ski but the path to the ball line does not feel stressful or frantic as it might be on ski whose stability had been compromised for speed. To the contrary, the Vapor offers ample stability affording the skier a feeling of calm that is generally only found in slower, deeper riding skis.  

From the Ball to the Wake

The Vapor takes and holds a lot of angle from the ball to the wake. Should the skier do something silly at the ball, the Vapor can easily be repointed across the lake.

Off Side

For a skier who applies ample front foot pressure before the apex of the turn, the Vapor carves an aggressive but controlled off side turn. The radius is short but not so fast as to put the skier out of position. In this mode, the skier will exit the ball with substantial water speed and angle. The Vapor’s off side turns are not only the key to a big score, they are also pure slalom fun.

At longer line lengths or at slower speeds, skiers will find that they can ski with a more neutral weight distribution and still benefit from most of this skis off side attributes.

The design of this ski (and the settings used for this review) requires that the skier not approach the ball with a combination of low roll angle* and insufficient front foot pressure followed by an attempt to drive forward and turn all at once. This will cause the ski to stall. In other words, to turn off side smoothly on the Vapor the skier needs to drive forward and arc in early. The dynamics of short line skiing are such that this behavior is only a problem when the skier is early and drawing a path parallel to the boat.

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On Side

On side turns on the Vapor are incredibly dependable. The turn radius is tight and the rotation smooth. One way or another, the ski will exit the on side with buckets of angle. A wise and skilled skier will easily take substantial speed and angle back to the wakes. With less tact and more aggression, the Vapor can easily be made to turn very hard and point seemingly straight across the lake. It is pretty much idiot proof.

Conclusions

Provided that a skier is comfortable engaging the front of the ski early approaching the off side turn, the Vapor is perhaps the smoothest and most refined ski on the market today. It does not do anything particularly radical. It is not the fastest, nor the hardest turning, nor the most unforgiving or the most forgiving ski ever, but the Vapor simply makes it easy for the skier to link fast turns back and forth across the lake and around a great many balls.

Quirks

This review is based on my experience skiing on a 67” Vapor with bindings at 29 15/16 and the fin set at 2.47 /6.885 (tips)/ 0.765 (head of caliper)/ wing 8 degrees. I also took a few rides with the fin set at 2.451/6.895./ .730. This second setting eliminated the need to be as technical at the off side, but then on side was not as automatic. If I was to ski on Vapor for another few months I would certainly explore these alternative settings further.

*Low roll angle = ski riding flatter in the water and less of edge

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Comments

  • 34mph34mph Posts: 162 Baller
    Great Job ! Can't wait to get on one in the spring , since my season is over here.
    Thanks
  • ALPJrALPJr Posts: 1,325 Crazy Baller
    Great review and nice spray !!! Thank you
  • HortonHorton Posts: 23,672 Administrator
    So in line with the thread about new ideas I have about ski reviews:

    Except for (off side) one ball at my hardest pass the Vapor does not seem to draw errors. When I am really thinking about it, that one ball is not a problem either. The problem with one ball @ 38 is partly caused by being extra wide and early. This makes it hard to convince myself to roll the ski over and arc in a little extra early.

    Once I get past that one ball the ski does not draw errors at all.

    If I do something stupid the ski is pretty forgiving and easy to get back in the game.

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  • Texas6Texas6 Posts: 2,115 Mega Baller
    Nicely done Horton!
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  • brodybrody Posts: 283 Baller
    I am looking at getting a vapor, what size would u recommend, 5'11 190 lbs 34 mph running into 35 off, I am on the edge of the 67 and 68
  • espnmanespnman Posts: 9 Baller
    @Horton You have to ski only the Vapor or Prophecy for the next 6 months; which do you choose?
  • HortonHorton Posts: 23,672 Administrator
    @espnman I know this sort of sucks but I do not directly compare skis. It is a slippery slope. I will say that they have different strengths and weaknesses. Perhaps the Vapor is less quirky and will be preferred my more skiers.

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  • HortonHorton Posts: 23,672 Administrator
    @brody 67 for sure. No question

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  • brodybrody Posts: 283 Baller
    Tx
  • RichardDoaneRichardDoane Posts: 3,918 Mega Baller
    @horton - good work on the review, but you really need more photogenic skiers on the tested skis
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  • ctsmithctsmith Posts: 281 Baller
    edited October 2013
    John, would you pick the Strada or Vapor for your wife? The Strada has a reputation of "can't miss" for the beginner and intermediate skier. Is the Vapor as sure of a bet?
  • HortonHorton Posts: 23,672 Administrator
    @ctsmith With Radars you can almost always use the top end skis at lower levels. I am sure your wife would love a Vapor.

    I am sure she had the vapors the day she married you.

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  • alex38alex38 Posts: 442 Baller
    @horton, are you going to vaporize 39.5 off?
    phauswirth
  • HortonHorton Posts: 23,672 Administrator
    @alex38 I got two in a tournament and two and a half and practice on the Vapor.

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  • BRYBRY Posts: 534 Crazy Baller
    I picked up a Vapor last Friday and I am impressed with how well I think Horton's review describes the ski.
    I didn't have too much luck with the stock 68" stock numbers I was given: 30.25 6.870 2.480 .765 With those I found it difficult to run 28's and 32's and over all impression was "what a plank". Moved bindings up to 30.5 was much better but nasty bite and angle grab at the end of the turn both sides. Was kinda bummed as I liked the space, speed and "lightness" the ski had.
    Went to 6.895 2.451 730 and Holy Crap! This thing is wicked! If I don't pull or add and do stay on my front foot all the time passes are stupid easy, even 35 (not easy for me). I do find if I get on my back foot at all in the pre-turn or turn it still wants to "plank" (go flat and head down course). Could be me, settings or both. The ski also really wants to be up on a good edge early and doesn't like the edge to be eased.
    I've only been on it a week but with these settings I find it super responsive and can have as aggressive turns as I can handle. Definitely feels better the shorter I go.
    HortonRichardDoanetjm
  • TUPTUP Posts: 17 Baller
    What size Vapor would a 5’10”, 160 LBS, 34 MPH 38off skier need???

    66”- 115-165 LBS
    67”- 150-190 LBS
  • DeanoskiDeanoski Posts: 684 Solid Baller
    im 190 and demoed the 67 -35 skier 2-3 -38 34mph great ski
  • markchilcuttmarkchilcutt Posts: 773 Crazy Baller
    edited October 2013
    @Horton great review!! Every set just seems to get easier on this ski!!!! Already excited for spring thanks to this amazing new ski!
    @Tup i would go for a 66.
    Ski it if you can!!!!
  • HortonHorton Posts: 23,672 Administrator
    @tup 66 for sure

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  • TUPTUP Posts: 17 Baller
    Thanks
  • markchilcuttmarkchilcutt Posts: 773 Crazy Baller
    November 11 update!! not skiing much lately but need to share my last set with you. Conditions were perfect flat 55deg air 48water. On my 2nd set 22,28,28,32,32,32,32,32,32 and 3@32! If you count that is 6 passes back to back to @32off .......... This was a first! previous was 3 back to back passes. The Vapor makes skiing around bouys easier than ever!
    Ski it if you can!!!!
    Hortondanbirch
  • RichardDoaneRichardDoane Posts: 3,918 Mega Baller
    nice skiing @markchilcutt - all those 32's will make that -35 easy !
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  • markchilcuttmarkchilcutt Posts: 773 Crazy Baller
    Thanks @richarddoane!! Still cannot believe how this ski turns on my offside?
    Ski it if you can!!!!
  • brodybrody Posts: 283 Baller
    I tried a vapor, loved it, got permission from my wife to order one as soon as my A2 is sold!!
    nzcabbage
  • OTFOTF Posts: 320 Crazy Baller
    @brody buy her one too, sell the A2 later.
    tjm
  • brodybrody Posts: 283 Baller
    A2 is gone now its time to order my vapor, too bad lake is frozen for the next 5 months
  • wtrskiorwtrskior Posts: 704 Crazy Baller
    @brody you won't be disappointed! I also went from an A2 to a vapor this fall. It's a completely different ski, that's for sure. Easier to ride for sure, if nothing else. I only have 6 sets on the vapor, but I know it will take me places the A2 couldn't. Was on HO basically since I started skiing the course regularly 8 or so years ago. CDX - System 8 - A1 - A2 - VAPOR rocks! :P
    Brewskimarkchilcutt
  • brodybrody Posts: 283 Baller
    Good to hear, can't wait till spring
    markchilcutt
  • RichardDoaneRichardDoane Posts: 3,918 Mega Baller
    @brody - what size Vapor are you needing ?
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