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Vapor and front foot pressure.

mbabiashmbabiash Posts: 516 Crazy Baller
I have a really bad habit of putting too much front foot pressure coming into my offside turn when I'm fast and narrow. I'm working on correcting this by just being patient and balanced and letting the ski come around. the ski come around. That said, would the vapor help me since it requires front foot pressure on offside?
Matt

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  • ForrestGumpForrestGump Posts: 6,062
    That all depends. How are you getting too much front foot pressure? If it's because you're moving your shoulders ahead of your hips, then no ski is going to be better until you fix that.
    Shane "Crash" Hill

  • HortonHorton Posts: 27,889 Administrator
    @mbabiash

    I see skiers at all levels doing quite well on the Vapor. I think it is one of the best skis on the market. As per my review, at 38 => roughly my limit, this ski demands a forward bias to be smooth out of off side. I do not want anyone to interpret this as me saying that the Vapor is hard to ride or finicky. Quite the opposite. At the limit all skis have one quirk or another. This is the one thing I found to criticize about this ski.

    You can tune that characteristic out of the Vapor but I suspect you are better not doing this. With the stock settings, the off side requires some attention but the on side is literally automatic. When I tried some settings that allowed me to be stupid at off side, the on side was not nearly as good.

    I like the idea of a ski that forces the skier to be more technical but I am not sure there are many skiers that agree with my thinking. If I had more time I would ride the least forgiving ski possible as a practice ski and the most forgiving ski for tournaments. This idea needs refinement and is maybe impractical.

    Picking a ski the demands you work on your weakness is an interesting idea. I would say this is an unusual approach that could be wise or frustrating.

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  • HortonHorton Posts: 27,889 Administrator
    @mbabiash

    Haaaaa I totally misread your original post. My comments are exactly backward to your question. That is what I get for managing a web site from my phone.

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  • mbabiashmbabiash Posts: 516 Crazy Baller
    Well, I'm on a Goode mid fire that has a crack in it so I'll be replacing it in the spring.
    My thoughts were N1xt mapple 6.1, going to Andy's place to try that ski in May. Or the vapor.
    I'm just starting to shorten the rope at 34 so obviously I have a lot to work on.
    Matt
  • estromestrom Posts: 512 Baller
    @Horton, give yourself a panda for that 1st post!
  • WishWish Posts: 7,860 ★★★Triple Panda Award Recipient ★★★
    I picked the S2 to save my back and get rid of a habit of pushing the ski around. It hates to be pushed with the back leg. Other skies allowed me to do this and I'd get punished with to much angle, some slack and pain in the lower back. Didnt happen all the time but my back wasn't getting better. I can safely the S2 has broken me of this habit....mostly. And my back is better. I think there's something to it.
    >>> 11.25..a different kettle of fish. <<<
  • mbabiashmbabiash Posts: 516 Crazy Baller
    Also, I'm 6'2" and 210
    Which size vapor should I try. 69.5 seems big
  • GOODESkierGOODESkier Posts: 1,107 Crazy Baller
    @mbabiash do you want off your current GOODE? If not, let them fix it....... you might be surprised at how well they can do that, or maybe they will just take care of you? Maybe offer you an upgrade package to a Nano OneXT....... It is always worth a call.
    2003 Nautique 196 LE Star Gazer & ZBox - GOODE NANO OneXT 66.75" - Powershell 5 (LFF) - Tournament PB: 2 Balls @ 39.5' OFF (34.2 MPH) on 7/18/2015 at BIG DAWG BROHO!
  • Ed_ObermeierEd_Obermeier Posts: 1,339 Crazy Baller
    edited February 2014
    You can tune that characteristic out of the Vapor but I suspect you are better not doing this. With the stock settings, the off side requires some attention but the on side is literally automatic. When I tried some settings that allowed me to be stupid at off side, the on side was not nearly as good.
    @Horton for the sake of discussion could you discuss briefly how one might tune the Vapor compared to stock numbers to make it not require quite as much front foot pressure to smooth out the off side turn. With my crap bad knee (I'm LFF, it's the right knee and I have to wear a hard brace to even be able to ski on it) I'm yet to find a ski I have any issue with on the on side but my off sides have always been an issue, I find it tough sometimes to get sufficient front foot pressure in the off side turn. Not looking for a cheat per se, just wondering how one might address such an adjustment.

    Got my new Vapor right before Christmas so haven't ridden it yet, just wondering.

    Thanks, Ed
    Ed Obermeier - owner, EZ-Slalom Course Systems
    www.ez-slalom.com
  • HortonHorton Posts: 27,889 Administrator
    edited February 2014
    @Ed_Obermeier

    First of all you are going to love the Vapor.

    If you read my Vapor review you will find the recommended settings and the settings that make the off side a bit more idiot proof. ( I am not saying you are an idiot. When I see 1 ball at 38 my IQ does go down about 40 points)

    I highly recommend that you spend time with the standard settings first. Follow the below link for the review and notes.

    http://www.ballofspray.com/forum#/discussion/9481/radar-vapor-review/p1

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  • Ed_ObermeierEd_Obermeier Posts: 1,339 Crazy Baller
    @Horton I did read it when originally posted but I'll definitely restudy it, in detail this time... Thank you John.
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  • ChadWChadW Posts: 99 Baller
    @mbabiash I would consider my offside turn balanced to front foot heavy. I've been on a vapor since October and I love it. My offside turn has become more dependable and gains more angle than my onside turn. I was previously on a Strada and my pb is [email protected] off.
  • IlivetoskiIlivetoski Posts: 1,185 Crazy Baller
    I know that the strada was a very high riding ski, from what I heard from people, the Vapor is the same way. I know it was hard to get forward and push down the tip on the strada (watch rossi, he never has more than 4-5 inches past front boot in the water). So how would that relate to the Vapor? Is it hard to get the tip down and into the water? @Horton
  • ChadWChadW Posts: 99 Baller
    @livetoski In the past year I've skied a 2011 Strada (my old ski), a Vapor (my new ski) and a Nano One (a friend's ski). I would agree, the Strada rides high in the water. The Vapor doesn't ride as high as the Strada, but rides higher than the Nano One. I don't have any issues getting the tip down. For me the ski is easy to turn and creates tons of angle. The Vapor is a completely different ski than the Strada.
  • HortonHorton Posts: 27,889 Administrator
    @Ilivetoski
    Is not hard to get tip down. Is easy to ride

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  • The_MSThe_MS Posts: 5,276 Mega Baller
    Sounds Monzaish, I cant wait to ride this thing.
    Shut up and ski
  • jimskijimski Posts: 406 Solid Baller
    just got a new vapor traded up from the 2013 strada I hope all the hipe is true
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