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Nicole Arthur - Video Update***

SMSM Posts: 529 Crazy Baller
edited May 2014 in Videos, Photos & Media
While I was putting this video of Nicole together, I was seriously impressed with her skiing form and how easy she makes it look. So for fun, I made a couple side by side video comparisons of myself and a few of my buddies vs Nicole. Everything at 28 off. Everybody can run 35 on a good day so pretty good skiers. In every case, Nicole was across the course faster than the guys, which means she has lots of time and easy smooth turns that end up with great angle. Us guys skied narrow and relied on cranking and bullying the ski to make the next ball.

So the argument was made that she is way lighter than any of us so of course she can be faster than us. I then ran this whole thing by Andy and he told me that he is even faster than Nicole. Even though I believed Andy, I still went ahead and made a side by side video of Andy vs Nicole. Much to my dismay, he is faster across course than Nicole. It goes without saying that I will not be making the side by side videos of me and my buddies vs Andy.

So what I really learned out of all this is turns mean almost nothing. Being efficient and getting across the course quickly is everything. With any luck and solid effort applying what I learned in my side by side comparisons, I'll be skiing like a girl some time soon.


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  • Chef23Chef23 Posts: 5,972 Mega Baller
    Can you share some of the side by side videos I would be interested to see them.
    Mark Shaffer
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  • dchristmandchristman Posts: 1,089 Mega Baller
    @SM I would love to see the side by side videos to help me ski like a girl... The guys vs. Nicole would probably be more helpful than Nicole vs. Andy. How about posting them?
    Is it time to ski, yet?
  • SMSM Posts: 529 Crazy Baller
    Let me check with the guys in them and see if they are okay with it.
    Time spent on the water is time well spent.
  • wtrskiorwtrskior Posts: 704 Crazy Baller
    She really was off for a while, Good to see her back!

    I disagree about the turns @SM‌ though to a certain extent. She has so much ski in the water, her onside puts her into leverage immediately off the ball.
  • MISkierMISkier Posts: 2,648 Mega Baller
    In that video, watch her reach with the handle into her offside turn and the finish of the turn itself. It reminded me of Nate in the way she keeps the handle low into pre-turn before reaching upward with it. The finish of that offside turn also reminds me of Nate on his 1,3,5.

    Just my observation.
    The worst slalom equipment I own is between my ears.
  • SMSM Posts: 529 Crazy Baller
    Agreed, but I believe it's the time she has at the width of the course before the ball that allows her to do that. I have approval from 1 guy who will remain anonymous (until you watch the video) to put up the side by side. Here is the caveat. This video was shot last week in upstate New York, in cold water and cold air, while being out of "ski shape". I made this video to illustrate the subtle differences that pro's have over the rest of us. You have to watch it frame by frame to really see where the big stuff is. @wtrskior I don't think you can get that much ski in the water in the turn when you come in fast and narrow.
    Time spent on the water is time well spent.
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  • SMSM Posts: 529 Crazy Baller
    Here's another one. I'm at 35, Nicole 28. She is so far ahead of me it's not funny. I'm considering tennis.

    Time spent on the water is time well spent.
    Chef23
  • SkiJaySkiJay Posts: 2,314 Mega Baller
    I see her impressive speed into the wake coming from five thimgs:
    1) carries lots of speed through the turn itself,
    2) fabulous rope control (not skiing into slack),
    3) early clean hook up,
    4) perfectly aligned stack, and
    5) steep and efficient lean angle.
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  • CamCam Posts: 322 Solid Baller
    I took this picture of Nicole back in 2003 she has always been out to the buoy line early.

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  • Deep11Deep11 Posts: 221 Solid Baller
    @SM said "So what I really learned out of all this is turns mean almost nothing. Being efficient and getting across the course quickly is everything."
    This has been this years mantra for me and @CAM - what we are finding is the better you get at this ( and it's VERY slow progress - video every set) the more the ski is in the water off the second wake and the less mistakes that happen in the turn. This year it's not about making more bouys but "feeling" a smooth fast pass - way more fun!
    Cam
  • GaryWilkinsonGaryWilkinson Posts: 341 Solid Baller
    Tremendous videos Scott, you should really look into doing this work full time!

    The side by sides are great. Biggest difference I noticed is in the 2nd video, 1st sbs comparison, check out how much more angle she finishes the turn with, how much more ski is in the water and how these 2 aspects get her across the wakes waaaay ahead of her "comparitor". Looks so easy!

    It seems to me that the turn is there to set up a great angle. We used to spend so much time, effort and thinking on perfecting the pre-turn but now I believe it's all about how you finish the turn. Yes, you cannot make a great leverage position from a bad turn, but I submit that all is not lost in a less than ideal turn. I've watched countless videos of Nate, Seth and more where it looks like they're done at x-ball only to re-set at the finish of that turn, regain a decent leverage position and get across quickly and make x+1.

    Great videos Scott @SM thanks for starting this thread.
    I need to ski back to the handle obviously.
  • ForrestGumpForrestGump Posts: 6,077
    edited May 2014
    Watch her hip alignment. It goes with some conversations I've had with Trent Finlayson and Drew Ross lately, which is that you can be stacked but not have the correct body alignment. She keeps her pelvis aligned with the direction of the ski regardless of where her shoulders are aligned. So the amount of time/distance that she's presenting her pelvis to the boat is small. Instead, she presents the inside hip to the boat all the way to the top of the arc and the only time both hips/sternum are pointed at the boat is during a direction change. Contrast that to the hackers and for the most part you start to see the hips/sternum facing the boat while they're still going outbound.
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  • Texas6Texas6 Posts: 2,197
    I just want to know if that is her car in the Mapple video
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  • SMSM Posts: 529 Crazy Baller
    I am leaving for America this afternoon to spend the week-end skiing with the hackers. I will see if we can apply anything we learned here and post updated video.
    Time spent on the water is time well spent.
  • Lieutenant DanLieutenant Dan Posts: 200 Baller
    @ShaneH Great observation on the hips. You say sternum but are you really talking about pelvis?

    Anyway...I am still a hack but had an "aha" moment finally this winter while studying slow motion videos of Regina Jacques and Terry Winter that I think is also evident with Nicole's skiing.

    They are "patient" with their turns, i.e. they keep the shoulders back - chest out stance (that even the guys in the side-by-sides show in the pre-turn and start of the turn) all the way through the turn and finish with good ski angle (under the rope and lots of ski in the water) and with the handle low and down by the "trailing leg" thigh. I am convinced that skiing all the way through the turns to that position is the key and can't wait to try to apply it in the course this summer (crappy spring and injury has kept me off the water so far).

    I think a lot of us guys want to jump on the handle early with the rope "in front" of us, which not only cuts off the end of the turn but also tends to put us in the butt back - bent over - straight leg - wheelie turn - crappy angle position.
  • Lieutenant DanLieutenant Dan Posts: 200 Baller
    Oh yeah...and one other key observation....they are dynamic in their position....it is not held static once they achieve their stack....they get on it early, accelerate the ski from white water to wakes and advance the ski through to "in front" of them early. These are the things I am working on this year.
  • Skoot1123Skoot1123 Posts: 1,825 Mega Baller
    One thing I noticed is that Nicole appears to be "going slower" but in actuality is faster cross course. The guys - who look like they are "flying" across the water - get to the buoy slower. One of the difference's I believe is total body movement. Nicole is fluid in her movements whereas the guys are "pounding" out the buoys. Both ways get it done - no style points at a tournament.

    *I am by no means knocking the guys skiing - I wish I skied that well.
    ** I wish I skied like a girl.
    SM
  • Chef23Chef23 Posts: 5,972 Mega Baller
    I like the summary that @Bruce_Butterfield provided. That is some real good stuff. The other thing I picked up is that I think the turn is important. Nicole really finishes the turn well in a stacked position and is immediately ready to generate speed cross course. There is no wasted time waiting for things to hook up or having to reset the angle.

    This is a great thread @SM thanks for the cool videos.
    Mark Shaffer
  • estromestrom Posts: 512 Baller
    I'm with @Texas6....does she really drive a Cobra (even if a replica)?? Way cool Nicole!
  • estromestrom Posts: 512 Baller
    OK, I posted before watching that last video. Awesome!
  • bogboybogboy Posts: 699 Solid Baller
    She has graceful, strong, and relaxed competence. I would love to take lessons from the am facility sometime.
  • gregygregy Posts: 2,583 Mega Baller
    edited May 2014
    Nichole looks to be maxing out her pull right at the white water. She still got her ski on edge at the wakes but definitely not as much lean.

    She really keeps her hips up throughout. The only time she lets her drop back at all is at the edge change after the wakes. (but she still does not let her shoulders get forward)

    Her weight front to back on the ski looks balance or forward thoughtout. Last year I got to ski with Seth, I thought I had a good stack, but first think he said is you have way to much weight on your rear foot. So on top of 1) being stacked, 2) Properly aligned, I'll add 3) well balanced on the ski.

    She sure makes it look easy.
  • AliAli Posts: 169 Baller
    I have the accent, just wish I could ski like that.

    Met Andy last time down in Orlando, great site there.
  • GaryWilkinsonGaryWilkinson Posts: 341 Solid Baller
    A quick observation/thought...

    IMHO speed across the water is a combination of angle of ski, leverage/pull force on the rope and the angle in relation to the boat. Another important factor is how much ski is in the water (at the right angle) and how much mass there is to move.

    If the ladies get into the right ski angle, appropriate and best stacked body position at the ball and through the turn, doesn't it make sense that with less mass (weight) on the same ski as a heavier skier, they would fly across the water faster?

    I guess what I'm saying is that the old days of muscling through the course are indeed long gone, (duh!) and that technique and timing to be as light on the handle as possible and as efficient in the pull section of each buoy is paramount.

    That's why my best, however infrequent, -32offs felt easy. Wish I could do that more often!

    Ps, I also noticed about 10 yrs ago that pictures of the ladies slalom skiers never, or at least rarely, had them grimacing and straining. Even at the most intense pat of the pull section of the course.

    I obviously need to get in touch with my feminine side (and get a car like that!)
    I need to ski back to the handle obviously.
  • Texas6Texas6 Posts: 2,197
    @GaryWilkinson‌ , I've seen Regina grimace out a few passes. The girl has a lot of fight in her and pulls the pylon out of the boat
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  • kstateskierkstateskier Posts: 524 Solid Baller
    HAHA great videos. The Perch clips were worth watching alone!
    KStateSkier
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    SM
  • AndreAndre Posts: 1,241 Mega Baller
    Great video as always Scott!
    Congrats!
    Hope to see you and Brent this summer.
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