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Trick skiing question...

JordanJordan Posts: 1,257 ★★★Triple Panda Award Recipient ★★★
edited May 2014 in Trick and Jump
While watching the masters, I noticed that Whitney used different trick skis for her hand pass and foot pass...how long have trickers been using two different skis, and what is the difference between the skis?

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  • eleeskieleeski Posts: 3,977 Infinite Pandas
    edited May 2014
    Advanced hand tricks need strong edging. Surface toe tricks need smooth transitions when turning. While many skis do both well, other skis focus on one trait or another. Easy enough to switch to a ski that favors the differing requirements.

    It's been many years that this was allowable in the rules (but there is a time limit for the change). You've always been allowed to drop a ski.

    Many skiers do switch skis. Even more adjust speed between passes. I don't do either but I'm not normal...

    Eric
  • ntxntx Posts: 840 Crazy Baller
    @jordan Most high end trickers will use a hard edge ski for the hand pass which includes flips and wake tricks. The trend is to use a rubber edge ski for the toe pass. If you go to D3 website you can see the differances in the ski.

    Garb one and try it out.
  • ralral Posts: 1,849 Mega Baller
    Skiers that are beginning with flips even change speed in the middle of a pass... As stated, most trick skiers that go near or over 5000 points use two skis.
    Rodrigo Andai
  • andjulesandjules Posts: 843 Mega Baller
    edited May 2014
    So, for a 3k-5k point tricker (who is too much of a minimalist/cheap to want two different skis), what are the best-balanced trick skis on the market?
    I might get back into it this summer, but probably need to update my ski (late 90s HO CDX that's just a touch small for my mid-forties physique). I probably need more help with edging than with toes (which were always my strong suit).
  • MattPMattP Posts: 6,263 Mega Baller
    Jason McClintock can trick over 10K on 1 ski. The Gravaton.
  • ralral Posts: 1,849 Mega Baller
    @andjules‌, if you are on the 3-5 k, you are probably mostly doing surface tricks in your hand pass, a rubber edge D3 should be the choice. Have heard good comments about the Radar as well.
    Rodrigo Andai
  • HortonHorton Posts: 30,586 Administrator
    D3, Radar or Masterline.... you really can't go wrong

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  • andjulesandjules Posts: 843 Mega Baller
    Thanks everyone. And @ral, at 3k-5k, it's WOs, WBBs, and harder. Any surface (hand) tricks are easy enough at that point that I can't imagine needing 'forgiving' edges.
  • ralral Posts: 1,849 Mega Baller
    @andjules‌ , probably I did not phrase this well enough, and actually the range (3-5K) is pretty wide. If you are in the 3K range, you are not getting too much past the W5s. Now, if you are going into the 5k+, and going into SLs and Flips, you should try a couple before settling into one. But in any case, all new tricks are pretty good.
    Rodrigo Andai
    andjules
  • Chef23Chef23 Posts: 6,066 Mega Baller
    Radar claims their ski is perfect for hands and toes. I know some people that trick up to the 3K range on both rubber edged skis and on hard edge skis.
    Mark Shaffer
  • drewdrew Posts: 105 Open or Level 9 Skier
    The Quantum is the best performing and most forgiving shape of them all. Do not be afraid of going bigger than you think--the ski is super surfy and easy to manage at the same time.

    E_T
  • eleeskieleeski Posts: 3,977 Infinite Pandas
    @andjules‌ The hardedge D3, the Quantum and the Goode are proven (by skier development I've seen and my several rides) as wonderfully balanced skis. A slim majority of skiers I know at high level use the same of one of those skis for both passes. The Radar looks promising and was OK for the one pass I rode but not yet to the proven status - @Horton is the better judge there. The D3 rubber edge is not as versatile as the hardedge for a one ski quiver. Go as big on your ski as possible so you can ski slower to get the most out of the new boats.
    Disclaimer, I don't use any of these skis as my personal ski.
    Eric
  • MattPMattP Posts: 6,263 Mega Baller
    @eleeski‌ you just implied @Horton‌ does toe tricks. I'll believe it when I see it!
  • HortonHorton Posts: 30,586 Administrator
    edited May 2014
    My toes are better than my handles. Trying to relearn TWBB and wrap in TO. It had been 20 years.

    Only trick ski I have ridden in the modern era is Radar. Love it.

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  • eleeskieleeski Posts: 3,977 Infinite Pandas
    @MattP‌ If @Horton hadn't been so cheap and ponied up the extra money for the class L at Adobe last fall, he would have qualified for senior worlds in trick. He is a very skilled tricker. Or maybe the Radar is that good.
    Eric
  • HortonHorton Posts: 30,586 Administrator
    edited May 2014
    @eleeski‌ honestly I thought I was in the class L until the results came out. I was in the L slalom.

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  • andjulesandjules Posts: 843 Mega Baller
    Thanks all. And @Drew I hope to come visit you in the fall for a few sets, we can catch up and I'll let you take a crack at breaking some of my many bad slalom habits ;-)
  • epyscsepyscs Posts: 74 Baller
    Dont forget the Reflex skis.

    At worlds, there were 2 Reflex, 2 D3 and 2 Quantums on the podium! Clem did the WR runs on the Reflex, Pierre just won masters on Reflex and Nic skied them for years! Certainly worth a try.

    I would say see if you can demo a bunch of skis. Certainly worth the effort.
  • BraceMakerBraceMaker Posts: 4,649 Mega Baller
    Other than D3 and reflex can you get a current rubber edged?
    Goode - No
    Quantum - No
    D3 - Yes
    Reflex - Yes
    Goodman - No
    Radar - No

    I'm going to ignore things like obrien pro-tracs and any connelly ski not currently sold.
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