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RS-1 Binding System

RogerRoger Posts: 1,553 Crazy Baller
edited July 2009 in Skis Fins Bindings
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I've been on the RS-1 system for more than a year now and I'm very satisfied to say the least.
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Pros:

1) Totally comfortable. I can put them on when the previous skier leaves the dock and I don't care how many passes he makes.

2) Very adjustable. You can rotate each binding, move the rear closer or further from the front and adjust the position of the plate on the ski by half hole increments.

3) Can't pre-release. Since the eject mechanism is the liner leaving the shell with the shell securely attached to the ski, you have no pre-release worries.

4) Release when expected. I have taken pretty much every type fall I've ever taken on rubber on these including the dreaded over the tip offside stall. In each case, I've released without issue where damage might have been done to my body. On other types of falls, I've either stayed all the way in or come all the way out. Exactly what I want in a releasable system.

5) Support from Radar. Incredible! I had the early thinner plate, they sent me a new plate free. I have a Fischer which uses metric screws and the original threaded offsets would not work; they sent me new threadless offsets. Not only that, they sent me (via the dealer) spare elastics and spare elastic pull knobs.

6) Longevity: Except for the offsets (bushings), there is very little wear. The boots themselves look nearly new. The liners are still in excellent shape. The elastics are good for at least a year I'd say. The offset bushings are probably good for 4 months if you turn them 90 degress after two months.

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Cons:

1) The only real con for me is that the offsets wear over time as the plates slides back and forth on them when the ski flexes.
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I finally ran out of the offsets Eddie sent me last year and contacted Radar to order a dozen (seems like I got enough free stuff). Eddie responded directly asking for my mailing address and today I received a small bag of replacement offsets and screw washers at no charge.
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What else can I say. I ski easily as good as I did in my rubber bindings and feel that I'm much safer and a whole lot more comfortable!
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Roger B. Clark - Okeeheelee skier. Senior driver, Senior Judge
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  • HortonHorton Posts: 27,723 Administrator
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    Roger,
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    I am right with you. It would take a lot to get me in other bindings. I finally added SuperFeet and could not be happier.
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    Horton
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  • GMCGMC Posts: 99 Baller
    Hey Roger - after a year, how long is the witness mark from the plate sliding over the offsets?  I.E. how much is the ski flexing at the attachment points? 
  • RogerRoger Posts: 1,553 Crazy Baller
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    Horton, I've had Green Superfeet in mine from the start. I put them in for volume, but of course they're even more comfy to stand on than just the liners.
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    GMC, I just brought the ski and and measured the witness marks at 3/16" at both the front and back.
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    Roger B. Clark - Okeeheelee skier. Senior driver, Senior Judge
  • Aarons01Aarons01 Posts: 21 New Baller
    My problem is I do not have a place close to try them on or I would have already ordered a set. I wear a 10 1/2 in US but my feet are very narrow so I dont know to order the 10 or the 11
  • rod0041rod0041 Posts: 18 Baller
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    I couldnt be happier with mine... I have superfeet in as well... great binding system. My only complaint is that the black plastic thingys at the end of my laces are busting off.
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    As for sizing - I wear a size 8 shoe.... went with a 9 in the RS1 as my toes were crunched in the 8's....
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  • RogerRoger Posts: 1,553 Crazy Baller
    edited July 2009
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    My feet are pretty narrow and 10 1/2 also. I could not wear the size 10 as my toes were too tight against the liner. The 11 was a good fit length wise, but my foot did not fill the binding enough so that I had to pull the elastics so tight that there was no elasticity left in them (bad). The solution was the Green Superfeet I took from my snow ski boots and dropped into the RS-1 liners. This is very comfortable and allows pulling the laces down just past snug and plenty of elasticity left for ejection.
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    I'm sure any dealer would send you a set and then exchange them if the size is way off for you.
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    Roger B. Clark - Okeeheelee skier. Senior driver, Senior Judge
  • RogerRoger Posts: 1,553 Crazy Baller
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    rod0041, give Radar a call. The new "black plastic thingys" are much better than the original ones.
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    Roger B. Clark - Okeeheelee skier. Senior driver, Senior Judge
  • Aarons01Aarons01 Posts: 21 New Baller
    i didn't know they made them in 1/2 sizes??
  • RogerRoger Posts: 1,553 Crazy Baller
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    Sorry, I meant the 11 was a good fit length wise...
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    Edited post.
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    Roger B. Clark - Okeeheelee skier. Senior driver, Senior Judge
  • MarcoMarco Posts: 1,408 Crazy Baller
    Roger- Great original post.  The one thing missing from it though is a performance analysis.  Can you (or JTH or anyone else) provide some input on how they ski relative to other binding sytems out there?
  • HortonHorton Posts: 27,723 Administrator
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    Side to side - Stiffer then Rubber - not as stiff as hard plastic
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    Front to back - very free
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  • RogerRoger Posts: 1,553 Crazy Baller
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    I agree with Horton. When you first get on them, they're "twitchy" from side to side with front to back being similar to the stiffer rubber bindings (Obrien Bio in my case). I found both the Goode and Fogman systems to be more twitchy in both directions when I tried them.
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    I believe the transition from rubber to hard shell is easier with these (the new FM E series is probably about the same from what I can see). The other hardshell systems probably take a bit longer to get totally comfortable with (in terms of skier input transferred to the water).
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    There are a handfull of people who have tried them and didn't like them. You can find those posts in the original RS-1 threads on this forum. The vast majority though seem to like them once adjusted.
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    I don't believe any boot system is totally safe. After all, we are in a moving sport and sometimes things move in the wrong direction. However, after trying several of the systems and doing an analysis of how they release, I'm convinced that this system, when worn correctly, is very safe. After taking  a close look at how the new FM E series releases, I'd say that's another good candidate for a positive release without pre-release issues just to be fair.
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    Roger B. Clark - Okeeheelee skier. Senior driver, Senior Judge
  • HortonHorton Posts: 27,723 Administrator
    edited July 2009
    I find that new RS-1 users wheelie off the ball for about 2 sets. After that they are great. If you want a HARD shell I would have to lean to SkiTec. Simple and proven.

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  • RogerRoger Posts: 1,553 Crazy Baller
    I agree <strong>IF</strong> you only use a front Reflex and either a toe strap or a rear Wiley or other softer rubber rear.
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  • ForrestGumpForrestGump Posts: 6,052
    I've been on the RS1s for a little over a year too. What I really like, in addition to everything you mentioned, is that I can lift my rear heal if needed. I couldn't do that in the Animals or D3 bindings.
    Shane "Crash" Hill

  • HortonHorton Posts: 27,723 Administrator
    Do you really want to ever lift your heel?

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  • skibugskibug Posts: 2,039
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    FM E-Series Rock!!!  Didn't try the RS-1; but, I didn't experience the "twitchiness" from the FM's in terms of lateral stiffness.  Probably due to the ankle cuffs.  IMHO they are safer than then any rubber boots.  I don't have a frame of reference from a hardshell perspective since these are the first (and last) that I have tried.
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  • ForrestGumpForrestGump Posts: 6,052
    JTH, I do at the pull out. I get up on the front and lift my rear heal. Just something I've always done.
    Shane "Crash" Hill

  • lagdawglagdawg Posts: 41 Baller
    Shane,

    When you say you can lift your heal if needed, do you mean that liner will lift out and allow your heal to move? Or does your heal just lift in the liner?

    I'm an overweight and slightly inflexible skier (I'm working on both of these slowly), and I know I put a lot of pressure on my rear binding during starts because my body just doesn't want to bend that way very well. In most of my bindings I find that I regularly have to tighten all the screws holding the binding to the plate or have to straighten out severely bent plates. The current bindings I am on, I have broken the rear binding twice due to this pressure on the rear binding. While I am skiing I can feel myself lifting my heal a little bit at times but I know most of the time the strongest forces are coming during my starts. I have been seriously considering hardshells and if the RS-1 can handle this pressure during the starts then I may be ordering some new bindings soon.
  • HO 410HO 410 Posts: 351 Baller
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    How are you guys sizing these boots?
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    Anyone opt down from a half size or is everyone pretty much opting for the larger boot?
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    Nikon D80, 50mm f 1.8, Tokina 12-24mm... Sorry, wrong forum. Josh T.
  • ScarletArrowScarletArrow Posts: 801 Crazy Baller
    I had a size 10 and it was a bit short for my foot. I normally wear a size 10 shoe...molding them w/ a toe cap seem to solve the problem.
    Anthony Warren
  • JackeJacke Posts: 19
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    Hi,
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    Anyone tried the RS-1 and NOT liked it? I have skied with the RS-1 for about 30-40 sets and ski really bad. I tried on both the Prophecy and the A1. Similar problem on both skis. The ski is finish the turn a little to hard, makes me come back on the ski. This makes me pulled up before the first wake, causing bodycrush at the wake and very narrow for the next buoy. Thought it first was the A1 so I tweaked both bindings and fin in all possible direction. Finally I decided to try the Prophecy again, with the same symptoms. I thinking maybe the front to back movement ability maybe is not a good thing for me.
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    I will try my Approaches to see if this theory is true, but it would be intresting to hear if anyone else has experienced the same.
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    Besides I ski like a bag of garbage, the RS-1 are great:-)
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  • ScarletArrowScarletArrow Posts: 801 Crazy Baller
    I did not care for the RS-1's.

    I'm a -15/34mph skier...was on the MPD & Wiley's last season. Switched to RS-1's mid way through the summer and went downhill in a hurry. Should have switched back, but after investing all that $$$ I kept trying to make it work.

    That said, I loved the comfort, feel, and construction...I just think they were a bit too advanced for me. I don't fault the manufacturer, I fault my technique. Perhaps when I can flex my front ankle and let the ski finish the turn on my offside, I will be ready.
    Anthony Warren
  • HortonHorton Posts: 27,723 Administrator
    edited July 2009
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    Jacke, 
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    What speed and line lenght?
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  • RogerRoger Posts: 1,553 Crazy Baller
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    There have certainly been a handful of skiers who didn't like them for one reason or another. When you say you tried various settings, can you be more specific? If the ski is finishing too hard on both sides and you think it is binding related, then you should move both binding back (move plate back) a hole at a time. Most people I've seen tend to miss-measure the RS-1's and mount them too far forward anyway. You might also try seperating the rear from the front by one hole (assuming the rear is right up against the front). This helped me a lot.
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    It may turn out they are just not for you, but I would think you could solve the symptom you describe regardless of the binding system...
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    Roger B. Clark - Okeeheelee skier. Senior driver, Senior Judge
  • JackeJacke Posts: 19
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    John,
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    Starting on 18 meters then down to 13 where I usually ends round 3 ball. 58km/h
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  • JackeJacke Posts: 19
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    Roger,
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    I tried moving bindings backwards. I meassure at the stitches. If anything, I think maybe my foot are a little bit more separated than they was when I used Approach.

    I really like the system and really want it to work, but I get kind of frustrated here. Haven´s skied this bad and inconcistent in 5 years. But I am also aware that I might not be on the right ski. Skied a 05 Monza until last year.
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    BTW, I really like this forum:-)
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  • scokescoke Posts: 644 Solid Baller
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    This weekend I saw the worst ski crash I have seen in a year; i thought he was going to be airlifted out. The skier was riding a RCX using the RS-1 boots.
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    He was at 32-off at 36mph, turned 2 ball and was pulling to three. The exposion was behind the boat and he released(?)or something. The boat immediately whipped around him to see what kind of shape he was in as his ski looked like it crumpled and boots/stuff was flying everywhere. Amazingly he was ok.
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     SkiDawg might have a real play by play as he was in the boat and the same one that had to fish him out of the lake.
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  • Old MS AccoutOld MS Accout Posts: 2,114 Baller
    Thats a lot of excitement for the La. state champinships.  
  • skidawgskidawg Posts: 3,281 Open or 55K Rated Skier
    It was the coolest crash ever, fell back on the tail out of two, launch (airborne) off the wake (a bit off axis) caught tip-full blown yardsale explosion.  Both feet came out of boots.  Classic, wish i had vid.
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