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Bent handles for Skiers Elbow?

HortonHorton Posts: 27,741 Administrator
edited July 2009 in Skis Fins Bindings
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<font face="Calibri" size="3" color="#000000">My left elbow has been acting up all year. My physical therapist tries to get me to stretch and exercise…. <span> </span>It is as if he does not know what a sloth I am.<span>  </span>So I tried a Radar 13” Bent handle<span>  </span>last night. I am not sure but think it fixed me.</font>
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<font face="Calibri" size="3" color="#000000">The one thing I did not like was going from a 12” to a 13”. The 13 seems to twist more when I have only one hand on the handle.<span> Hard to explain.... </span>At gates right hand on handle and left hand is free…. Left side of handle is leaning to the boat by at least an inch.<span>  </span>Well that is the way it feels. Could be that I am just crazy.</font>
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  • ski6jonesski6jones Posts: 976 Mega Baller
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    I had some trouble with elbow pain a few years ago.
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    Someone  told me to use a palm down grip on both hands during getup, then switch to your normal grip before your pull out.
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    It worked for me.
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    Carl Addington, Lakes of Katy, Texas
  • RogerRoger Posts: 1,554 Crazy Baller
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    I use the same handle. I used to wear a epicondylar strap when I had a straight handle. Once I moved to the Radius (bent handle) I kept wearing it. One day I lost it in a fall and figured I'd replace it in a couple of weeks when the lady who makes them was available. After a few sets, I realized my elbow no longer hurt. That was more than 4 years ago, so for me at least, the radius handle works well.
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    There are radius handles available in 12" versions...
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    Roger B. Clark - Okeeheelee skier. Senior driver, Senior Judge
  • Old MS AccoutOld MS Accout Posts: 2,114 Baller
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    Bent handle helping elbow pain= wives tale
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    13 inch handle= head through handle   
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  • tsixamtsixam Posts: 371 Baller
    edited July 2009
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    <span><font size="3"><font color="#000000"><font face="Times New Roman">I switched to a bent handle after elbow trouble. I believe it has me helped a lot. Staying away from slack is also very good for the elbows…</font></font></font></span>
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    <span></span><span><font size="3"><font color="#000000"><font face="Times New Roman">Tsixam</font></font></font></span>
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  • MrJonesMrJones Posts: 1,770 Open or 55K Rated Skier
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    John,
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    Does the Radar bent handle have the same rubber compound as their RS-1 handle? I have been using the RS-1 and love it, but as you know I am having the same trouble with medial epicondylitis.
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     I am also not crazy about the 13" length. If anybody has any recommendations for a 12" let us know.
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    sj
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  • tsixamtsixam Posts: 371 Baller
    edited July 2009
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    <span><font size="3"><font color="#000000"><font face="Times New Roman">I use a 12 Masterline radius. The rubber is quite soft and I wear out one a year.</font></font></font></span><span><font face="Times New Roman" size="3" color="#000000"> </font></span>
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    <span></span><span><font size="3"><font color="#000000"><font face="Times New Roman">Tsixam</font></font></font></span>
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  • Old MS AccoutOld MS Accout Posts: 2,114 Baller
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    Pain comes and pain goes.
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    If you guys think there is a differance between bent and nonbent when you are cranking the handle at 38off,(or any line) you are nuts. The incline is so small, there is no way your hands know(or can feel) the handle has a bend in it     
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  • HortonHorton Posts: 27,741 Administrator
    MS  - where did you go to Med School?

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  • MrJonesMrJones Posts: 1,770 Open or 55K Rated Skier
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    MS
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    Biomechanically you are incorrect. It has to do with the resting position of the hand. I will explain the next time I see you. 
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    I can see why it "could" work, I have just not experienced it myself. I am interested to see how John is doing after 8-10 sets. I know this has been an ongoing thing. I he is better I may just take my RS 1 (handle) to a shop with a pipe bender and make my own "radius."
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    sj
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  • RichardDoaneRichardDoane Posts: 4,149 Mega Baller
    I've been bending 12" handles with my shop press and it works well. If you bend too much then you lose tolerance. It's easier to bend them if they're not tied, but if you're careful you can curve one that's finished. My elbows used to hurt, but not anymore with a bent handle.
    BallOfSpray Pacific Northwest Vice President of Event Management, aka "Zappy"
  • DirtDirt Posts: 1,593 Open or 55K Rated Skier
    I have had tennis elbow for years. My doctor said the only thing that would work was rest/non-use. I took some time off and it went away. I tried the bent handle and found no difference. A larger diameter helped a bit. Don't do any curls or curl type excercises in the gym they make it worse. I went to physical therapy and also did the electro-shock (not the kind Horton had to his head), ice baths, etc. None of it helped. Good luck.
    I learned everything I know not to do from Horton
  • skiron07skiron07 Posts: 83 Baller
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    Little bit of truth to all of this-
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    I got golfer's elbow back in '04, went on some anti-inflammatories and switched to a curved handle- problem solved.
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    However, last year after recooperating from bicep tendon surgery I switched grips to a right hand over position to take the stress off of my right repaired arm...no problems.  This year my left elbow, the one that now has the palm up position has golfers elbow- tried the same meds but they didn't do much and then I learned that ai's only mask the pain and reduce the body's ability to heal itself (inflammation is actually the body's initial healing process) so I've lowered my sets, always have a day off, and ice, ice baby.  It's still there but much more manageable...it does feel a bit painful if I do 2 setters but at least I'm still skiing.
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    enjoy
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    ice also works best not only on the elbow but in apres ski cocktails!
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  • Jim NeelyJim Neely Posts: 291 Baller
    I am using the masterline 12" radius. It works well for me. I still have some pain but it is not as severe as before.
    68" Vapor
  • Old MS AccoutOld MS Accout Posts: 2,114 Baller
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    Liquid Leisure Med school.
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    I went through a year of Golf elbow and it all started with a 12 inch Radius. (1.12)
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    I have a bit of an issue now in my left elbow but its from off season pull ups and curls. I use a 12 inch .960 from Brenda.  
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  • RogerRoger Posts: 1,554 Crazy Baller
    edited July 2009
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    MS: "13 inch handle= head through handle"
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    I use the 13" Radar ARC Control handle. The bridal length is shorter than other handles and it will not fit over my head.
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    It is available in 12" and 13", Straight, ARC (Bent), and Eliptical (the bent and Elip are only 13" I believe). And best of all, it's only $35.00. I've been on my current one for 6 months.
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    <a href="http://www.radarskis.com/control_handle.html" target="_blank">Radar Control Handles</a>
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    Roger B. Clark - Okeeheelee skier. Senior driver, Senior Judge
  • dislanddisland Posts: 1,317 Mega Baller
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    A several years ago I had the same problem. I switched to a curved handle and have never had the problem again. However the year I had the tendinitis it still hurt for the rest of that season though not as bad, so its not a quick fix. But after the winter it never occured again.
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    Dave
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    Dave Island- Princeton Lakes
  • Old MS AccoutOld MS Accout Posts: 2,114 Baller
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    Roger,
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    I have seen them and they are nice. I dont know why they all dont make that short bridle. If they made them in a .960 0r .940, I would be all over one.
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  • MrJonesMrJones Posts: 1,770 Open or 55K Rated Skier
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    dsmart. "Tennis elbow" is on the lateral side and I would not think the bent handle would be of benefit.
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    John. You never answered about whether the compound in the Control handle was the same as the RS-1.
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    Richard. Are you measuring your degree of bend in any fashion when you are on the press or just "eyeballing" it? 
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    sj
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  • DekeDeke Posts: 381 Baller
    Does the ARC mean bent or is it like ARS (anti-roll)?  Does anyone make the ARS beside In-Tow?
  • HortonHorton Posts: 27,741 Administrator
    edited July 2009
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    Jones,
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    I do not know.
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    Smart,
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    Call me some time, you big hunk-o-man
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  • HortonHorton Posts: 27,741 Administrator
    I already talked to Brenda. Ordered a 1.00

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  • Old MS AccoutOld MS Accout Posts: 2,114 Baller
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    "In-tow Rocks"
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    .960 ARS 12 inch.
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  • RichardDoaneRichardDoane Posts: 4,149 Mega Baller
    Scot - I have pre-bent a piece of flat bar to simulate the bend I'm after.  It goes on top of the handle between the press and the rubber.  The ends just stand on a couple of axle bearing adapters, and you have to bend a little, then let it relax, then some more, etc.  There's quite alot of flex in the good aluminum tube that's in a radar & ho handle.  I've gotten carried away before and ended up with too much, but a quick inversion brought it back into tolerance.  The handle I'm using now (12" 1.080) has a little over 1" gap when measured at the 1/2 way point to straight.
    BallOfSpray Pacific Northwest Vice President of Event Management, aka "Zappy"
  • eleeskieleeski Posts: 3,872 Infinite Pandas
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    I hate bent handles from a performance standpoint. But in my advanced arthritic state my anecdotal experience is that the bent handles DO lessen the soreness from "slalom elbow". The exact bend doesn't matter to me as long as the grip is angled a bit (from the elbow pain response). Find a length and bend that you like for performance but any bend should help the elbows.
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    Eric
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  • HortonHorton Posts: 27,741 Administrator
    Eric,
    You make your own skis from duct tape and bubble gum but you worry about the performance of a bent handle?
    Ski good in Laku

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  • DirtDirt Posts: 1,593 Open or 55K Rated Skier
    Scot, thanks. The pain I have feels like an ice pick being driven into the inside of my arm just below the elbow. Is that "golf elbow?" Whichever one it is, hurts when I slalom or do curls (which begs the question, why do them as I am not good at either). I only practice so I can beat Horton again one day. LOL
    I learned everything I know not to do from Horton
  • andybandyb Posts: 63 Baller
    I didn't suffer from golfers elbow until I started doing the one handed gate. Over the winter it seemed to disappear. At the begining of the season I started with the two handed gate no pain. I was struggling so went back to the one handed gate, again golfers elbow appeared. I probably guess it is my bad technique but never had the problem before, so probably going back to a two handed gate.
  • MrJonesMrJones Posts: 1,770 Open or 55K Rated Skier
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    No problem. Just so anyone who is confused knows what we are talking about. 
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    "Tennis Elbow" is lateral epicondylitis which is an inflammation of the forearm extensor muscles where they originate from the lateral (outside) of the elbow.
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    "Golfers Elbow" is medial epicondylitis where the forearm flexor muscles that originate on the medial (inside) of the elbow get abused. 
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    I never realized how many people were dealing with this until now!
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    sj
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  • HortonHorton Posts: 27,741 Administrator
    <p>
    Blows me away when a guy from lousiana uses a word as big as "epicondylitis".
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    When I call Ward all I get is Bouy.... kill Bouy.... Jed bone head.... Darwin want ski... beeer... Bikini... hunt and kill kill food.
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  • Chuck_DickeyChuck_Dickey Posts: 1,462 Crazy Baller
    edited July 2009
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    US Gear is the best for be. 12" or 13"  Bent more than others. high grip rubber.  Curved ends instead of end caps = no pinching. ARS is  standard for this model US Gear
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    <a href="http://www.usgearonline.com/proV_handle.html">http://www.usgearonline.com/proV_handle.html</a>
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    <font size="+1" color="#ff0000"><img src="http://www.usgearonline.com/images/products/17_ProVocs.gif" border="0" alt="About our PRO V OCS Slalom Handle" /></font>
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    <font size="+1" color="#ff0000">-Pro V OCS- </font>
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    The Radius Handle was Designed for the Serious Slalom Skier. The Curved Radius Ends Eliminate Handle Roll, which Aleviates Wrist Strain and Over Gripping. This removes stress from the wrist and fingers, and helps to prevent carpal issues down the line. The OCS and Eliptical Grip Rubber put the padding where it's needed most, at the finger-tips, which provides more cussion where the forces associated with skiing are applied to the hand.

    The 18° Center Bend in the Handle, provides a more natural grip position for the hand and wrist, further aleviating the wrist strain which can cause pain in the muscles and ligaments in the wrist and hand.
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