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Got my Elite, what a piece of

scokescoke Posts: 624 Baller
edited August 2009 in Skis Fins Bindings
 


 Well my Elite came today. Holy heck, what a piece of art this thing is, gorgeous! I wouldn't mind buying another one just to hang on the wall....


 I fondled it for a few minutes and put it back in its velvet case and closed it up. Resisting the temptation for a bit.


 It's not as light as I thought it was going to be, just a tad heavier. A bit heavier than the goode but it feels solid, streamlined and obviously well made. I did read the manual (i am engineer, i have to!) and something was interesting in there regarding efficiency. I'll pull the exact line out tonight but it talked about the design was setup for "efficient skiing".


What's funny about that is a senior driver, with a bit of experience running shortline, who has pulled CP and Mapple through 41, both riding this ski, said that he rarely felt them and they are able to ski efficiently with that ski. Something to it...
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  • MrJonesMrJones Posts: 1,741 Open or 55K Rated Skier
    They are sweet looking skis. The box and general impression when you unwrap it is definitely something different. Kind of reminded me of opening up the Fischer at the ski test. Just a more refined product.


    Those extra few ounces you feel is the insurace policy inside the ski. Insurance your ski won't explode, break down in 2 months, etc, etc.


    sj
  • BoneHeadBoneHead Posts: 5,887
    Yep, a "more refined product" is a good way to put it, Scot.


     Scoke, are you comparing the Goode with the plate to the Elite or just the ski to ski? Because with the plate, the Goode is quite a bit heavier I think. I could see what you're talking about as far as efficiency goes, though. Have you seen the video of CP running 41?  That's the cleanest 41 I've ever seen. He makes it look like 35 it's so smooth. You hear the ZO revving the hell out of the boat, but CP is just so smooth side to side and at the finish of the turns. I'm thinking the WR is going down before too much longer.
    Shane "Crash" Hill

  • scotchipmanscotchipman Posts: 4,012 ★★★Triple Panda Award Recipient ★★★
    ShaneH, Are you on a 65.5" Elite? What are your current fin settings? I'm going to try my friends 65.5" when he gets back from Nationals.


    Why would you compare the weight of a Goode with a plate to an Elite without one? You also need some kind of plate under your bindings to ski the Elite......
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  • GloersenGloersen Posts: 810 Crazy Baller
    It is awesome in its construction. Concur with other posts; fin box stinks, especially in light of what appears will require much tuning to skier preference. First two sets on a 67" yesterday, too soon to comment on the preferred setup, but can tell this ski, once tuned, will perform better than prior rides.
  • HortonHorton Posts: 25,658 Administrator
    As for the Fin Box - the slot is tight enough that if you are carefull .... it is not really that bad.


    By the way I can get more blems.....

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  • BoneHeadBoneHead Posts: 5,887
    scotchipman, no I'm on a 67 with RS1s. My friend Mike is on a 65.5 with animals, though. 6.84, 2.496, .765 had him run 5 at 38 off the first set on it. We've tried different numbers since then, but that was the best performance. I think tomorrow he'll try 6.84, 2.512 or so, .765 and see what that feels like. I said that about the plate because with Mike, he had to run Goode's plate on his 9900 to run his animals. On the Elite, the animals bolt straight down without a plate. The net difference is about 8 ounces lighter. 


    The fin box is a non issue to me. Although I didn't like the looks of it at first, it's really not bad at all. I can adjust the fin in short order. Like Horton said, there is drag in the slot so the fin doesn't move around while you're adjusting it. A couple of taps will move it in one direction without moving it much in other directions.


    John, that blem I got from you is hard to tell it's a blem.  There's not any of the porosity in the tip that Adam talks about. About the only thing I find "off" is that Obrien sticker on the tail is crooked.  Best deal on a blem I ever got! I wished I could afford a spare right now!
    Shane "Crash" Hill

  • BoneHeadBoneHead Posts: 5,887
    Oh, and after 5 sets on the Elite, Mike got back on the 9900 as a sanity check yesterday and said the Elite took far less effort behind the boat. Now, granted....he's been on the standard width 9900 and not the WR.
    Shane "Crash" Hill

  • scotchipmanscotchipman Posts: 4,012 ★★★Triple Panda Award Recipient ★★★
    Thanks Shane, I will try Mike's numbers in a few weeks and let you know how I like the 65.5" Elite compared to my 64" 9900 WR.


    Can you remove the animal aluminum plate and mount the boots directly to the Goode PowerPlate? I know that is what Goode does with Wiley's. It is possible that the Goode PowerPlate is only drilled for Wiley's?
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  • MAD11MAD11 Posts: 577 Crazy Baller
    Agree with Jones big time on the little weight maybe being some insurance. Believe me, it's a good thing. My Elite feels great. Snuck in a 35 the other night when momma wasn't looking and was super easy. Back to 32's for now until spring. Darn!
  • HortonHorton Posts: 25,658 Administrator
    Weight? The Lightest Skis is best thing is marketing crap.

    Build a ski with the most precision and highest quality materials and it will be pretty light. Build a ski with the most precision and highest quality materials and it will be more consistent.

    Build a ski with the most precision and highest quality materials and it will ski very well.

    Build a ski as light as possible just to make it light is backwards thinking but great marketing.


    (Yes Eric I know you disagree…. Everyone, Eric thinks I am wrong… now Eric does not have to tell us how wrong I am).

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  • skibugskibug Posts: 1,979
    You can make a really really light ski the more hollow you make it.....does that make it better; i think not.  I agree with Horton Logic 101
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  • Thomas WayneThomas Wayne Posts: 550 New Baller
    I currently weigh 220, and was a svelte 210 at my absolute peak fitness stage two years ago (right before I broke my arm).  In overall weight, a few ounces... hell, a few pounds in a ski cannot make any difference under those circumstances.  However, perhaps where that extra ski weight does make a difference is its location within the ski.  I would think that less weight in the tip and tail - resulting in a lower "swing weight" (a snow-ski term) - is probably a good thing.  For that reason I think a slightly heavier binding plate - which is in the center of a ski - is not so likely to have a negative affect on a ski's performance.


    Primarily I am interested in a well-designed and well-constructed ski that doesn't have a reputation for breaking too easily.  That leaves out Goode, no matter how much they weigh.


     


    TW
  • MAD11MAD11 Posts: 577 Crazy Baller
    My comment should have said a little "MORE" weight was good insurance. That's what I meant. Just build it right so it won't break and I'm cool.
  • BoneHeadBoneHead Posts: 5,887
    I had a pretty good handle strike to mine today.  Barely a scuff. 
    Shane "Crash" Hill

  • scokescoke Posts: 624 Baller
     


    We measured three skis today side by side by side.


    You wouldn't believe which is the widest between:


     Z7, 66" i think or 66.25"?


    9800, 66.5" chord method,~67.5 arc measured


    Obrien Elite, 67" factory call outout, ~67.75 arc measured.
  • GloersenGloersen Posts: 810 Crazy Baller
    Elite is substantially wider than the A1 throughout, except the last 4" at the tail, in part explaining the less effort feeling.


    Today it ran through 35off, .760. 2.508, 6.835, W7 with Wiley's, unfortunatley my feet weren"t in them.


    Wouldn't surprise me if it is also wider than the 9800, Z7 not sure.


     
  • BoneHeadBoneHead Posts: 5,887
    edited August 2009
    The Elite is wider than a 67 Z7 and the same width almost exactly of a 67 Senate C(except for one spot right under the heal of the back boot).


    A friend who rides a Z7 took my elite for a spin yesterday.  Hi comment after the first pass was "Holy $hit! This thing kills my Z7 on the offside!" I'm actually gonna try and tame down the offside a bit. Moved the front binding from 29.5 to 29.25 for today.
    Shane "Crash" Hill

  • GloersenGloersen Posts: 810 Crazy Baller
    Does CP have a Sixam fin clamp on his Elite? Easier/Faster DFT adjustments?
  • HortonHorton Posts: 25,658 Administrator
    could also be home made. I have one...

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  • DirtDirt Posts: 1,528 Open or 55K Rated Skier
    I just got my 68.5 Elite from Horton. Thanks JT. I had a little trouble adjusting the fin at first but once I figured it out it was not that bad. It did not come with screws for the bindings. Did any of you have to get shorter ones like the manual says?
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  • BoneHeadBoneHead Posts: 5,887
    Yesterday, someone saw me ski for the first time since I got on the elite and told me he couldn't believe how different I skied. He noticed something I'd been feeling......that before if I got into trouble I had to wait til my next on side to get my self out. But on the elite, I can drive my mass into the front of the ski on my offside and it just cranks around and puts me back on the handle in good position. Looking back at my logs, I've picked up 4 buoys on average in the 3 weeks I've been on it.
    Shane "Crash" Hill

  • HortonHorton Posts: 25,658 Administrator
    Dave I always thought you had a screw loose.... I just use the donuts that come with D3 bindings to shorten the amount of screw in the ski. Your a cop, you should know all about donuts.

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  • scokescoke Posts: 624 Baller
     


    snug as a bug in a rug. the Elite sitting in it's velvet shoe box and only comes out to be fondled at night.


     I skied on the too short for me 9800 at Scot Jones's on Saturday.


    Rode the 9800 again at Ski Ranch with the gun toter. Water felt quick too.


    Elite is vastly wider and heavier than the 9800.
  • bhsbhs Posts: 256 Baller
    What is the weight range for the 68.5? Does it measure closer to a 69?
  • Thomas WayneThomas Wayne Posts: 550 New Baller
    Four of us in my group have ridden the 68.5 Elite, and we range from 190 lbs to 220 lbs.  No one thought it was too small for that weight range.


    I have a brand new, NON-BLEM, never skied on 68.5 for sale - it's never even been out of the plastic bag or the black box it comes in.  $1600 including shipping.


    TW
  • DirtDirt Posts: 1,528 Open or 55K Rated Skier
    Just skied the elite. Feels different from anything I have skied on before. It holds angle nicely off the second wake. I have only had two short sets on it and have not had a chance to move the fin around. I noticed what others have posted about it being less effort to ski on and I had the wing angle at 9 for 34mph.
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  • HortonHorton Posts: 25,658 Administrator
    Ok I have like 4 whisper messages about the same thing.... Yes I can get more blems and they come with full warrantee

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  • scotchipmanscotchipman Posts: 4,012 ★★★Triple Panda Award Recipient ★★★
    How much are the blems?
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  • HortonHorton Posts: 25,658 Administrator
    $1500

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  • DirtDirt Posts: 1,528 Open or 55K Rated Skier
    I was very uncomfortable my first pass 36 mph 22 off. Missed it. I shortened and ran 28. I realized the numbers I got from a couple sources were for 34 mph and ran 32 and 35. Amazing angle but still a little uncomfortable. The next set I went out at 34 mph and ran 28, 32, 35 and 38. A bad start at 39 ended it quickly. I should not be going up the rope on a ski I just got on. It stays down very nicely, no wheelie. You never know. Sometimes you love a ski the first two weeks and then can't run a pass. We will see. I am very optimistic at this point.
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