How quickly things change

eleeskieleeski Posts: 4,001 Infinite Pandas
Last year no trickers chose a Centurion in tournament unless they had to. Kirk got stuck behind one a few times and "it's not too bad - I skied really well behind it". We all ignored the whisperings. Even Horton refused to pull me behind his new boat.

This year the Mastercraft Koolaid is not available. Very few Mastercrafts were at tournaments. Centurion did a good job of providing boats (at least at the tournaments I entered - thanks to Centurion and the boat owners). We had lots of good runs and good scores behind the boat. Centurion is certainly a reasonable option for tricks.

I do miss Koolaid though...

Eric

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  • BufordDangerBufordDanger Posts: 3 Baller
    I think I saw you tricking pretty good behind one last weekend. "Reasonable option"? Is that the best you can say?
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  • BulldogBulldog Posts: 1,038 Crazy Baller
    @Horton‌ your son has good keyboard skills!!!
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  • HortonHorton Posts: 31,532 Administrator
    @Buford Danger Horton‌ be nice to the Ballers

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    @Buford Danger Horton‌ Your so gonna hate your dad in about 12 years....
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  • HortonHorton Posts: 31,532 Administrator
    edited October 2014
    @eleeski‌ did look pretty good behind the BallOfSpray Centurion but I am not sure about his inverted spin W5B

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  • BulldogBulldog Posts: 1,038 Crazy Baller
    @Horton‌ my most humble apology.... Very sorry. Not a mistake I usually make.
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  • MrJonesMrJones Posts: 1,823 Mega Baller
    Eric. I can see how a good tricker can make the carbon pro work. What are your thoughts about kids or others who are just learning?

    I'm not knocking the Centurion, but I don't think it should be sold as a good trick boat. It is great for slalom and I love the interior. If they added a Nautique style trick tab it would probably be our next boat.
  • BradyBrady Posts: 1,085 Mega Baller
    the question I have is why did the Koolaid disappear this year? Especially with a brand new package and added flavor!! It doesn't make sense
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  • MISkierMISkier Posts: 3,336 Mega Baller
    @Brady, I believe the 197 was the preferred trick wake and the new Prostar is different. The 197 would not be available at many tournaments.
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  • eleeskieleeski Posts: 4,001 Infinite Pandas
    @MrJones‌ The quality of the table and the definition of the wake make the Centurion at least as good a beginner trick boat as any other. To learn flips you will need time behind an older boat or a wakeboard boat. None of the new boats are optimized for tricks.

    The 197 was a great trick wake. The new MC is similar to the Centurion. Malibu and Nautique went big and flat a while ago. We trickers need something different to get us really excited. Centurion or any of the other boats are not Koolaid worthy (unless they run with my mods).

    Eric
  • MISkierMISkier Posts: 3,336 Mega Baller
    Here is a question. For the Trick event, is there no real requirement for ZO timing or that the boat can meet certain acceleration benchmarks with a drone, etc.? If not, why can't the trick boat be any model? The only thing you would have to do is ensure all skiers in a division use the same model.
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  • HortonHorton Posts: 31,532 Administrator
    Could be wrong but petty sure trick boats are certified with similar scrutiny as slalom and jump

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  • MattPMattP Posts: 6,313 Mega Baller
    edited October 2014
  • MrJonesMrJones Posts: 1,823 Mega Baller
    No disrespect, but there is no "definition" to the wake. It is a round mound that is sweet to cut through in slalom, but hard to get lift off of. I am not a tricker, but have 3 young kids that are. We don't make a big deal about boats around them b/c at times they will have to ski behind them all. Even so, they have mentioned to me on several occasions "that boat is harder to trick behind" when we have been at ski school or at friends with something other than our Malibu.
  • RazorRoss3RazorRoss3 Posts: 1,409 Mega Baller
    edited October 2014
    The malibu is currently my favorite of boats I ski behind because at least it has size, the nautique doesn't seem to me to have a clearly defined peak and it has a really low grade so on WB/WF I feel like I land on a ramp instead of flat water, the new 197 I've tricked behind a lot and found that I'm comfortable and used to it but it is again very hard to find the peak and it doesn't give a lot of lift. The Iowa team has a '13 197 with a particularly hard wake yo the point where I practice with a 28 off opener at 36 rather than a 22 like I usually do and it is obscene the amount of pop I can get from that, especially compared to the '14 models of the big 3.
  • RazorRoss3RazorRoss3 Posts: 1,409 Mega Baller
    edited October 2014
    P.S.
    Amateur tricker at best, tournament best of 840, practice you can add a WO to that
    P.P.S
    Only have tricked college, 1 pass not 2
  • HortonHorton Posts: 31,532 Administrator
    @MrJones‌ I have a 91 MC. Yes the trick wake is perfect. I coach a little tricks one the weekends. At 16.5 mph the Centurion seems pretty good.

    At 19.5 it is good for me.

    Basically I am saying unless you are going for an old 80s or 90s boat the CP is good.

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  • eleeskieleeski Posts: 4,001 Infinite Pandas
    The Centurion table is as good as any table from any generation boat. Too many years suffering the Nautique white caps table make this especially refreshing. Especially with a sore hip really taking the edge off my toes.

    The wake is tiny and flat. Like it was designed for slalom. What it lacks in height it gets back by having the top clearly defined. Small consolation. It seems that what makes a great slalom wake takes away the steepness of the trick wake. Small and flat might be easier to use than big and flat. Or not. What you get used to and they are all different to me.

    No Koolaid until someone lets me take my grinder to one of these slalom hulls.

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