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  • WishWish Posts: 8,232 ★★★Triple Panda Award Recipient ★★★
    Kinda sounds like CC buying PCM.
    >>> 11.25..a different kettle of fish. <<<
  • skirayskiray Posts: 173 Baller
    Looks like same price as 5L but 135 lbs less.

    I'm reading about boat engines at 22:35. Bring on spring!
    Ron Ray
  • thagerthager Posts: 5,182 Mega Baller
    Put that in a smaller DD like a Ski Tique and you might have something!
    Stir vigorously then leave!
  • oldjeepoldjeep Posts: 3,793 ★★★Triple Panda Award Recipient ★★★
    This amazes me - what are these folks buying now, or has the whole market shrunk that much? I doubt that there are 80,000 wake boats being sold a year.

    Unfortunately for the company, the sterndrive segment isn’t what it used to be. Changing economics and consumer tastes have seen in shrink in recent years from 100,000 boats annually to about 20,000.
    Chuck P
    Not a mechanic but I play one at home
  • MISkierMISkier Posts: 3,154 Mega Baller
    @oldjeep, they might be buying jet boats (like the Sea Doo) and PWCs as well. Or, since the baby boomers are aging, they could be joining the pontoon and fishing boat population.
    The worst slalom equipment I own is between my ears.
  • DWDW Posts: 2,307 Mega Baller
    The market is migrating to pontoon's, when you visit the boat show, check out the pontoon offerings. The market is drifting away from sporting activities behind the boat to simply a party / cruising atmosphere. Sad but true, with the exception of tubing as a sport...

    As GM Powertrain phases out the best matching offerings for the marine market, Mercury has been at the leading edge of manufacturing their own engines and engine components to replace the pipe line. The old cast iron small block fits the need in so many ways, that is why Merc. is basically recreating similar powertrains.
  • ALPJrALPJr Posts: 2,424 Mega Baller
    I like that. Could be good for a lighter more efficient hull like the Gekko GTS20, or for repowering one of the lighter closed bow hulls from 80's 90's.
  • Jody_SealJody_Seal Posts: 3,239 Mega Baller
    I dont mind the Pontoon mindset!! makes for better water time for us skiers on the public lakes!!

    Good on Merc for coming up with this package. Doubt we will ever see them in our world. they just wont make enough forward umph for our modern wake dispersing ski Machines.
    Hobby Boats can be expensive when the hobbyist is limited on their own skill and expertise.

  • thagerthager Posts: 5,182 Mega Baller
    @Jody_Seal‌ Helps but not much. We have a number of pontooners here that love to do high speeds.
    Stir vigorously then leave!
  • MISkierMISkier Posts: 3,154 Mega Baller
    @ALPJr, but will there be an eControls ZO capability for this new engine? That would be a big consideration for some.
    The worst slalom equipment I own is between my ears.
  • xratedxrated Posts: 506 Solid Baller
    edited January 2015
    Second that pontoons don't help us on public water.

    Middle age plus older people out booze cruising or sunset cruising after supper. Odds of them paying attention and possibly turning their line of travel as to not impede a skier. Odds are slim to none. Had many close calls or ruined sets because of pontoons.

    Not to mention that toons are getting bigger and going with bigger engines pushing up the speeds. It isn't just grandpa out idling along anymore.

  • andjulesandjules Posts: 843 Mega Baller
    edited January 2015
    It's worth noting that 20-25 years ago, all our DDs had 240-260hp. I'd argue that this would probably be an adequate source of power for a sub-3000lb 3-event boat with the right prop. The second article says it actually has a broader/flatter torque curve than the 5.0l it's replacing (wonder how it would compare to a 5.7).

    Personally, I find it sad when someone's criticism of a lighter-powered boat is that 'it doesn't have the hole-shot' (compared to whatever the strongest hole-shot was they'd ever gotten up behind). Unless you're on an 1800ft site, that shouldn't be what matters, especially in a speed-controlled world. I wish our community would value lighter/more fuel-efficient engines over the over-powered mammoths. VW started making a marinized v6 a few years ago that wasn't priced well enough to get noticed, but had a lot of bang-per-pound; and for those who remember the Toyota Epic boats, they used a lightweight 4.0L marinized Lexus V8 engine that by all reports was pretty sweet. I'd love to see some innovation in the direction of less power/less weight/more fuel efficiency.

    My 2¢.
    Greg Banish
  • shyskiershyskier Posts: 40 Baller
    I have a 88 american skier 5.7 260hp. It gets my fat ass out of the water & does over 36mph @ 7500' elevation. What else do I need?
    Jody_SealGreg Banish
  • DWDW Posts: 2,307 Mega Baller
    For pulling up a couple of footers, the extra grunt is really a bonus. The demand for all the amenities in the modern slalom tug has ballooned them to ~3,000 lbs with pretty high drag hulls for that flat wake we all want, 250 hp won't provide the necessary power to meet the expectations of the consumer anymore.
  • eleeskieleeski Posts: 3,977 Infinite Pandas
    I need to build a ski boat to match this engine? I'd be able to pull it behind my Focus/Ranchita.

  • Greg BanishGreg Banish Posts: 123 Baller
    So Merc basically bought up the rights to continue making the old 4.3L V6, now punched out to 4.5L with a little more power. Nothing shocking here as Indmar also went away from GM Powertrain's new DI based V8s for apparent cost/complexity reasons. Ditto for Ilmor. How long until we see a supercharged version of this 4.5L that makes 350hp and solidly replaces the base V8 in a lot of boats?
  • DWDW Posts: 2,307 Mega Baller
    I think the direction would be to produce an iron small block V8 first, too cheap and reliable not to keep it around. Boat manufacturers, believe it or not based on MSRP, are all very cost conscious.
  • thagerthager Posts: 5,182 Mega Baller
    Have H.P. rating standards changed since the 70s?
    Stir vigorously then leave!
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