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Big Dawg changes the rules.

WishWish Posts: 7,893 ★★★Triple Panda Award Recipient ★★★
Well, it just got tougher to make it to the finals in the BD series. Is this for the better? What say you?

2015 Rules & Regulations

An all-new points system has been introduced for the 2015 Big Dawg World Tour. Each skier’s top two finishes will be used to calculate their cumulative score for the overall Big Dawg Ranking List. The top 40 skiers from this list will be invited to the Finals in October. Please see the official 2015 Big Dawg World Tour Rules and Regulations document below for more information.

http://nautiquebigdawg.com/rules/


>>> 11.25..a different kettle of fish. <<<
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Comments

  • ToddLToddL Posts: 2,823 Mega Baller
    Looks like those dawgs gotta travel (ski more than 1 stop) to make the finals, eh? Might be tough for skiers in remote countries where only 1 stop happens on their continent.
    -- The future of skiing depends upon welcoming novice skiers regardless of age to our sport.
    HortonE_T
  • gjohnsongjohnson Posts: 309 Solid Baller
    Who cares about a rule change that effects 30-50 people.
    Greg Johnson ~ Team Beer
  • Razorskier1Razorskier1 Posts: 3,425 Mega Baller
    I guess that means my dream of winning a stop and making the finals is over.
    Jim Ross
  • RichardDoaneRichardDoane Posts: 4,243 Mega Baller
    it's actually a rule improvement when you think about it, now if you ski at a lower level but attend more than one event, you're chances of skiing in October's final are greatly improved IMO
    BallOfSpray Pacific Northwest Vice President of Event Management, aka "Zappy"
    MattP
  • WishWish Posts: 7,893 ★★★Triple Panda Award Recipient ★★★
    edited January 2015
    @richarddoane‌ .....wait..what? ...(Scratching head)
    >>> 11.25..a different kettle of fish. <<<
  • ToddLToddL Posts: 2,823 Mega Baller
    @Wish - his logic is:
    - lower skilled BD who has money and time to travel and can ski in 2 or more events will beat out a higher skilled BD who is only able to ski in 1 event.
    -- The future of skiing depends upon welcoming novice skiers regardless of age to our sport.
  • ToddLToddL Posts: 2,823 Mega Baller
    I really expected this thread to somehow address night skiing and distractions.
    -- The future of skiing depends upon welcoming novice skiers regardless of age to our sport.
    ski6jonesJody_Sealchris_logan
  • bishop8950bishop8950 Posts: 1,155 Open or 55K Rated Skier
    edited January 2015
    Along with Greg Badal and Marc Shaw I sit on a committee with Correct Craft where we debate possible changes to rules, format, location, schedule etc. I think we have good discussions that will lead to good results.

    In this case, one of the specific objectives is to create more participation incentives for the qualifying events. Exactly as @ToddL said, if you ski in multiple events you could earn an invite to the finals over a skier that skied only one event. The committee discussed different approaches and options and believe this is the best thing to try. We look forward to seeing what impact it has for the 2015 season. Only a few skiers last year went to multiple events. Most like myself went to one and I planned to qualify for the finals in one event. Next year, it will be more difficult to do that and how much more difficult will depend on how many skiers commit to multiple events.
    RichardDoaneSherwood
  • RichardDoaneRichardDoane Posts: 4,243 Mega Baller
    I'm hoping that the night skiing finals is a thing of the past. " Learn from your mistakes and improve upon them", is the cliche that comes to mind.
    BallOfSpray Pacific Northwest Vice President of Event Management, aka "Zappy"
    Bulldog
  • skidawgskidawg Posts: 3,299 Mega Baller
    It is a bit of a handicap for those w limited travel budgets!
    Mr. Mom is Horton's favorite movie!
  • skierjpskierjp Posts: 759 Crazy Baller
    Night skiing has always been a huge success when it was held at Okeeheelee.
    Wish
  • bishop8950bishop8950 Posts: 1,155 Open or 55K Rated Skier
    @skidawg I hear you. I personally like the option of earing the finals invite in one event. We can all place bets on how it will turn out in 2015 but its unclear. My guess is some but not a lot will ski 2 events. That will push the "single score cut" up. So if you ski one event and you make the top 8 or even better top 4 I am guessing you will still get to the finals on one score. Last year if you made any cut or were one of the first guys to miss the cut you got it. It really depends on the number of multi-event skiers
  • klindyklindy Posts: 2,336 Mega Baller
    And the long laundry list of "exempt" skiers? They are automatically qualified for the finals or what exactly?
    Keith Lindemulder
    AWSA Vice President
    AWSA Southern Region EVP
  • RichardDoaneRichardDoane Posts: 4,243 Mega Baller
    edited January 2015
    @klindy - "protected skiers" have a score of 6 at -39, and are listed on the website
    -
    http://nautiquebigdawg.com/2015-protected-skiers/


    Entry Procedure:

    *Invitation Only Registration Period: From 1/15/15 to 2/15/15, skiers with an IWWF average (as of 12/1/14) of 6 @10.75 (-39’), including unadjusted scores for those skiers who are now age eligible from 36 mph divisions, are invited to register. Note: A skier who meets these criteria but does not submit registration during this period will not be protected during the Open Registration period. The list of protected skiers can be found on nautiquebigdawg.com.
    *Open Registration Period: From 2/1/15 onwards, any skier who meets the age and professional status qualification may submit registration. Once all slots are filled, remaining entries submitted will be put on a waiting list.
    Please refer to nautiquebigdawg.com for more information on registration and entry procedure for each qualifier and finals, as it may be different for individual events.
    Refund/Cancellation Policy: No refund for cancellation will be given unless slot is filled. Waiting list entries will be refunded if the skier does not compete.
    *PLEASE NOTE: Entries can be sent in at any time regardless of means (electronic or paper). Non-protected entries will be prioritized after March 1st, 2015 based on postmark or electronic time stamp.
    BallOfSpray Pacific Northwest Vice President of Event Management, aka "Zappy"
  • RichardDoaneRichardDoane Posts: 4,243 Mega Baller
    there's a grey area of between Feb 1 and Feb 15 for some reason which will probably not be an issue, we didn't completely fill BD Broho until July last season
    BallOfSpray Pacific Northwest Vice President of Event Management, aka "Zappy"
  • klindyklindy Posts: 2,336 Mega Baller
    edited January 2015
    @richarddoane‌ or @bishop8950‌ ok with the new points system how does the "protected score of [email protected]" work? Is that then a score of [email protected] for one tournament or more (all?)? Does that mean if they enter one prelim and ski another [email protected] that they now have two scores for tfeir average?

    I like the new scoring system too (not that I have a Dawg in the fight). I just wonder how it works.

    Likewise, how are the night rounds ever record level tournaments. End course video would have to be worthless.
    Keith Lindemulder
    AWSA Vice President
    AWSA Southern Region EVP
  • EricKelleyEricKelley Posts: 286 Crazy Baller
    Personally, I think the prize money is low. We are offering more than twice the prize money without any significant sponsorship. The Big Dawg has evolved into a very exclusive event for skiers at the pinnacle of their sport. The prize money is not at all, "what it's all about" but for sure it is low with all the sponsors they have.
    I like the new scoring system. It will ensure high level attendance at the U.S. stops. The Big Dawg has been a great thing thing for us older slalom skiers and it continues to evolve and improve over time. Thanks to Greg Davis and Nautique for their commitment to the series. Kevin sounds like the committee came up with some good changes. I like the later October final with the Open.
  • KelvinKelvin Posts: 1,169 Mega Baller
    @Eric Kelley, for the prelim stops the LOC is responsible for paying all the prize money out of the entry fees and any local sponsors they can drum up. Nautique provides nothing but the name for those events. At least that is how it was a few years ago.
    Kelvin Kelm, Lakes of Katy, Katy Texas
  • MattPMattP Posts: 6,034 Mega Baller
    Intersting note the BD Championships will be held in conjunction with the US Open. The finals the last few years have been held during the US Nationals which I feel like there was some push back to bring the US Open back to national and take the BD out or have both but whatever. The Open is a CC sponsored event. But I feel as though having the BD along side the US Open diminishes the accomplishments of the Open skiers as well as their legitimacy to have a event to themselves.
    slalomlottawattaHorton
  • RichardDoaneRichardDoane Posts: 4,243 Mega Baller
    @klindy - the protected skier list just gives them a head start on event registration, after that time period it's by postmark
    BallOfSpray Pacific Northwest Vice President of Event Management, aka "Zappy"
  • EricKelleyEricKelley Posts: 286 Crazy Baller
    @Kelvin You are correct about the LOC and the prize money. Nautique should be putting up some of the prize money. They are getting pretty good money from their other sponsors, i.e. Obrien and others.
  • ToddLToddL Posts: 2,823 Mega Baller
    @mshaw200 - that's what I liked about the old Pro Tour days. Repeated tour stops with the pros battling it out to see who would be on top at that stop. That's a fan-supported format where you repeatedly follow your favorite competitor. Maybe Pro Skiers need to have an assigned number and then bibs littered with their sponsors just like a NASCAR vehicle. ;-)
    -- The future of skiing depends upon welcoming novice skiers regardless of age to our sport.
  • Razorskier1Razorskier1 Posts: 3,425 Mega Baller
    I think it is great that the BD keeps testing the formula and trying new things. If I can hold of aging long enough, maybe I'll even get to ski in one someday.
    Jim Ross
    RichardDoane
  • RichardDoaneRichardDoane Posts: 4,243 Mega Baller
    @razorskier1 - send us an entry, the July event at the Broho will be worth the trip. Bring @6balls‌ and @RazorRoss3‌ , and ski the class C event at the Ski Park the Thursday prior

    http://www.usawaterski.org/rankings/View-TournamentsHQ.asp?pvar=TourInfo&TourID=15W154&olrds=enabled&rg=1&sl=on&tr=on&ju=on&wb=&ws=&wu=&bf=&kb=&hy=&sExclude=
    BallOfSpray Pacific Northwest Vice President of Event Management, aka "Zappy"
    RazorRoss36balls
  • The_MSThe_MS Posts: 5,385 Mega Baller
    Kinda like the INT league.
    Shut up and ski
  • WishWish Posts: 7,893 ★★★Triple Panda Award Recipient ★★★
    Hmmm.. worth asking I think. Of the BD that post here... Who can make it to 2 events? Especially when 2 are out of the country.
    >>> 11.25..a different kettle of fish. <<<
  • MillerTime38MillerTime38 Posts: 355 Crazy Baller
    @Mshaw200 The only door this opens is for skiers who can attend multiple events. How many of those sports that you mentioned let you qualify for the championship after competing in only half the events?

    Also, think about the events outside the US. I don't have the stats but I remember that the scores are usually lower (overall) at these events but the point system will be equal?
  • dave2balldave2ball Posts: 633 Crazy Baller
    The BD has become such an elite event I don't see any advantage of accumulative scores. You are still going to be able to run 39 majority of the time just to be in the mix. You are still going to see the same top 8 in the finals. The guy who just makes the finals is still going to be out first round unless something unusual happens. I may be wrong but we will see.
    The_MS
  • WishWish Posts: 7,893 ★★★Triple Panda Award Recipient ★★★
    Hmmm... Agree that the elite or best win or get the top 8 but just about any old guy can enter I believe. Yep on the 39 but all the others have a good time from what I've seen. And we have all seen top seeds get knocked out for various "anything can happen" reasons in just about every BD. I believe @mshaw200‌ can attest to that. Do wish it didn't take such a high score to get onto the H to H but the level of skill just keeps going up each year.
    >>> 11.25..a different kettle of fish. <<<
    mshaw200
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