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Another US Nationals idea

HortonHorton Posts: 29,759 Administrator
edited August 2015 in Rules/Politics/Issues
I know this will never happen but…..

Why not two Nationals events? One 3 round slalom event and one for 3 event one round overall event?

God love the trickers and jumpers but outside of Florida and a few pockets round the US - trick and jump are as relevant as knee board and barefoot. I bet there are not 25 jump ramps in the entire western region. Why do Wester Regional slalom skiers need to 3 event Nationals? The same in other regions?

Don’t get me wrong the most prestigious national title of all is (should be) Overall. The problem is most of us do not live in that world.

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  • Than_BoganThan_Bogan Posts: 6,813 Mega Baller
    Barely on topic, but you got me wondering: How many jump ramps are there in New England? I can think of three: Wolfeboro's back bay (NH), Oakham MA, and Avon CT. I guess there must be a few more somewhere? @Edbrazil ?

    Anyhow, I think a 3-round slalom Nationals would be VERY attractive for me personally -- I'd probably make a real effort to attend every year. But it would bum me out to not even get to watch the top trickers (and to a lesser extent jumpers).
    Nathaniel Bogan -- GUT Padawan
  • klindyklindy Posts: 2,547 ★★★Triple Panda Award Recipient ★★★
    That's actually an interesting idea to consider.

    There are other sports where the "nationals" (or whatever the premier event of the year might be called) is actually part of a longer event which offers other opportunity to particulate. For example the Nationals as we know it today could be a 3-4 day tournament inside a 7-8 day long event which would include other tournaments/events all focused on traditional waterskiing. Simplifying it like @Cayman2 suggested might be good if the site is willing.

    I suspect to happen however the current business model would need to change from its current format.
    Keith Lindemulder
    AWSA Chairman of the Board
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  • ALPJrALPJr Posts: 2,305 Mega Baller
    @Than_Bogan ramps at Nipmuc in Webster and SCRRA in Oxford.
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  • HortonHorton Posts: 29,759 Administrator
    As long as I can leave after Slalom if I want....

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  • eleeskieleeski Posts: 3,975 Infinite Pandas
    @Horton You can't leave. You have to ski MM tricks.

    Good fundamental idea. No complaints from this tricker.

    Eric
  • HortonHorton Posts: 29,759 Administrator
    Wow

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  • JWebSkiJWebSki Posts: 90 Baller
    @Than_Bogan there is one in Charlton MA
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  • LeonLLeonL Posts: 2,414 Crazy Baller
    About jump ramps. We have 4 in KY alone. @Cayman2 the turn and burn was brought up around here last week as an option for regional and/or nationals. There is a lot of pressure to perform a one and done as opposed to jump. Why not have slalom be turn and burn? Keep your first shot if it suits you and if you want to turn and burn you have to start back at the missed pass and go from there. No start from original starting pass or previous passes, so it goes pretty quickly. I think more skiers would got to nationals if the MOP possibility was lessened.
    Leon Leonard Stillwater Lake KY - SR Driver SR Judge
  • LLUSALLUSA Posts: 285 Crazy Baller
    Gosh @LeonL we've only got 7, and ten years ago there were 3 in Tuscaloosa County
    LLUSA, Sr Driver, AWSA Board of Directors, Towboat Committee,Lake Owner
  • KelvinKelvin Posts: 1,232 Mega Baller
    All 10 of the ski lakes in the Houston/Austin/San Marco area of Texas have jump ramps.
    Kelvin Kelm, Lakes of Katy, Katy Texas
  • Chef23Chef23 Posts: 6,056 Mega Baller
    The only thing to consider is many of the M3 & 4 skiers have kids that multi event. If what @klindy suggested would work then I could see it making sense. Assuming I qualified I wouldn't be able to bring my son to one event then go myself to another.
    Mark Shaffer
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  • RichardDoaneRichardDoane Posts: 4,489 Mega Baller
    edited August 2015
    @horton - we were talking at Regionals about the possibility of a slalom only Regionals, and a 3 event Regionals, the thinking was how many more potential sites (those with no ramp, like Broho) could then offer to host a slalom only event, in WA state I can think of 6 ramps : Borderline, SkiPark, Rainier, Tate, Mint, and Warman Lake all have jumps, and 8 other sites without
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  • KelvinKelvin Posts: 1,232 Mega Baller
    @klindy I like it!
    Kelvin Kelm, Lakes of Katy, Katy Texas
  • klindyklindy Posts: 2,547 ★★★Triple Panda Award Recipient ★★★
    @Kelvin no reason a club couldn't propose the idea now with s few rules exceptions to handle the logistics.
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  • Chef23Chef23 Posts: 6,056 Mega Baller
    @klindy that is a great idea. Would it extend to parents that weren't qualified? I have been to Nationals multiple times and not been qualified to ski. I would be more likely to go if I could ski even though not qualified.
    Mark Shaffer
  • jimbrakejimbrake Posts: 1,385 Mega Baller
    I know I'm alienating lots of ski friends, but I'm not a fan of lakes without ramps. I'm proud to ski at Bell Acqua in Sacramento, CA where you can see on Google Earth that we have three sweet lakes, with three well-maintained beautiful, well-used jump ramps.

    I hate how we've gotten away from 3-event and are so slalom focused. And this coming from a slalom-only (now) skier. Am I scared my son will get hurt jumping? Yes, but he loves it. I love that he does it and we approach it in a very deliberate, small-steps, well-coached (by pros, not me) manner.

    When I was 22 (in '80) I was jumping in the low to mid-120s and was ranked 20th in Mens I in the Western Region. What the heck happened to jump?
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  • HortonHorton Posts: 29,759 Administrator
    @jimbrake it is the world we live in.

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  • klindyklindy Posts: 2,547 ★★★Triple Panda Award Recipient ★★★
    @Chef23 my thought it was available for anyone, parents, skiers, club members, people from out of town who wanted to see the latest ski gear, whatever. Pay your fee and ski.
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  • klindyklindy Posts: 2,547 ★★★Triple Panda Award Recipient ★★★
    @Horton how do tut determine the Narional Champ if it's two tournaments? Does the slalom only tournament determine the slalom champ? Certainly there are strong 3 event skiers who would ski the 3 event tournament but would they also have to go to the slalom only event? Or would the slalom only score be their score for overall (plus trick/jump at the other event)?
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  • Than_BoganThan_Bogan Posts: 6,813 Mega Baller
    @klindy Loving your idea more the more I think about it. I discovered this year that Nationals is actually pretty fun even if you're not skiing, so there's a bit of a draw there but clearly it's not enough. Perhaps also having an option for people to ski more would greatly increase the total number of attendees, including non-Nationals skiers.

    I think a lot of folks might make a trip if they could do ALL of the following:
    - ski two rounds (not necessarily in Nationals)
    - See crazy-awesome skiing in OM, OW, etc.
    - Wander the tents and learn all about the latest gear (If this could be combined with the skiing so as to demo new gear, the audience might grow to unmanageably large!)
    - Engage in some kind of spectator-friendly "stuff" like food trucks or something even more interesting.
    Nathaniel Bogan -- GUT Padawan
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  • JweberJweber Posts: 26 Baller
    We have a sport that is already dwindling in numbers, and now you want to split this into smaller, more specialized nationals. This doesn't make sense to me. Personally I grew up a slalom only skier, I started tricking and jumping later. I can't tell you how much more fun tournaments are once you start three eventing. If you have a bad slalom ride, oh well, 2 more events to think about now. The fear of getting hurt jumping, sure it's there, but how many slalom skiers do you know that have missed significant time from a slalom injury. You play hard in almost any sport an injury will happen at sometime. It's a lot easier to get burnt out on water skiing when all you do is slalom ski when you go to the lake. I don't think focusing on one event is the answer for our sport, and I challenge you only slalom skiers to strap on a trick ski or ride over the jump, you will probably actually have some fun. Live a little and add some variety to your time on the water.
    ntxBruce_Butterfield
  • klindyklindy Posts: 2,547 ★★★Triple Panda Award Recipient ★★★
    @Jweber I agree it's a concern to "split things" even more.

    I also agree that over the past couple seasons I've seen FAR more slalom skiers with ankle boots or other injuries than jumpers. Of course there are many more slalom skiers than jumpers too
    Keith Lindemulder
    AWSA Chairman of the Board
    AWSA Southern Region EVP
  • jimbrakejimbrake Posts: 1,385 Mega Baller
    @Cayman2 - I'm pretty similar to you. I jumped until I was about 34 (after a severe knee blow out when I was 22 and a lesser one two years later). 57 now and my right leg/knee is a sad reminder that I "manage" every day. But...I'd do it all again just hopefully in a much smarter manner, which is what I'm trying to do with my son. No "cut later, bro, and kick it". I did cut later. I still daydream about going back to it, then I get up from my desk to walk across the office and think "uhm, no".
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  • NandoNando Posts: 569 Crazy Baller
    Um, Horton, what happened to your trick renaissance? Gone with the unfortunate injury? I think I'm in Jweber's camp and would rather encourage more participation in all events.
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