MC 197's

Chris TaylorChris Taylor Posts: 123 Baller
I have heard everyone rave about the older MC's early 90's up to 97, and it seems like a lot of people like the new prostar. However I haven't heard or read much about the MC 197. Whats the pros/cons?
-Chris-.........Boatless
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  • MISkierMISkier Posts: 3,335 Mega Baller
    If you are not a trick skier, there are better boats. The 22 off wake is not good at any speed.

    Some of the very early 197s were even worse. I believe they added a hook to the hull in 2004 or 2005 that made it better. I think the Tournament Team versions had the hook earlier.

    What year are you considering?
    The worst slalom equipment I own is between my ears.
  • Chris TaylorChris Taylor Posts: 123 Baller
    Just researching newer boats besides my 92 comp, to hopefully upgrade in the next season or 2. I know the Nautique 196 seems to be everyone's favorite. I like the RLXI, and have a lot of skiing behinde a sunsetter lxi. I want something with open bow, for when I have the family out with me. I just think as far as visually a 197 is one of the most beautiful boats I see, but looks aren't everything. lol
    -Chris-.........Boatless
  • MISkierMISkier Posts: 3,335 Mega Baller
    Since you list wakeboarding as one of your interests, the 197 might be for you. They had a version called the X7 with wakeboard tower and ballast. The looks of the 197 and wakeboard capabilities.

    Just be aware that you sacrifice the slalom wake at 22 off.
    The worst slalom equipment I own is between my ears.
  • Chris TaylorChris Taylor Posts: 123 Baller
    I mostly slalom and barefoot, but occasionally will wakeboard with my boys when the water is choppy. Hope I don't get hung from the oak tree for admitting that on here. lol
    -Chris-.........Boatless
  • gregygregy Posts: 2,590 Mega Baller
    One of my ski partners has an 08 197TT. 22 and 28 have a noticeable bump especially if you want slow the boat to 30 or 32 to work on form. If you like wakeboarding you can put some fatsacs and it through a monster wake. RLX and RLXI much better. The 197 or built well and there are some deals out there on zero off boats.
  • JordanJordan Posts: 1,277 ★★★Triple Panda Award Recipient ★★★
    My ski partner has an X7 and his usage matches yours well...he has really enjoyed the boat and it has a great wake 28 off and deeper. What I would say is, make sure that you ski whatever boat you consider. There are differences even between boats that are the same model and the same year.
  • fox197fox197 Posts: 107 Baller
    I have a 2013 197 and couldn't be happier. Like others have said, there is a slight bump at 22. But apart from that exact spot the wake is to me amazing. I don't think they get the credit they deserve compared to some of the other boats. If your looking for a tournament boat that you can have a day with friends in at a public lake then the 197 with a mini tower or the 200ob gets my vote.
  • Mike GileMike Gile Posts: 389 Crazy Baller
    I have an '06 tournament team. It is one of the better skiing boats in my opinion.

    I believe the bow seating is absolutely useless. The nose rides about 8 inches above the water and it is a constant battle to keep the boat dry in rough water.
    The_MSsavaiusini
  • Texas6Texas6 Posts: 2,197
    edited August 2015
    I had a 2003 197 and it was a decent boat. The big wake thing is a bit overblown; it's a very good wake but there are better. Having owned a 197 and a196, the Nautique wins hands down in every department. Craftsmanship, seat vinyl, drive ability, chine spray, slalom wake, reliability, etc. If you want the most versatile boat that is great for slalom and good enough for WB, look at a LXi/TXi with a wedge and a tower. If you want a badass slalom boat from that era, get a Nautique.
    Daryn Dean - Lakes of Katy, TX
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  • MISkierMISkier Posts: 3,335 Mega Baller
    I actually preferred my old 2000 MC 205 (based on the 95-97 Prostar 190 hull) to any 197. Better wake, better tracking, roomy, usable bow seating, decent freeboard. I only sold my 205 to get ZO.

    +1 on the TXi with a wedge to get the best compromise.

    I now have the Response LX with step over open bow.
    The worst slalom equipment I own is between my ears.
  • 6balls6balls Posts: 5,874 Mega Baller
    @texas6 is spot on. The 197 was a cool boat. Good space, good tracking, and for anyone opening at 28 off, 34/36 mph wakes were outstanding there and deeper. Most wake complaints were slower speeds/longer lines. Barefoot wake better on the 'Bu. Trickers seemed to like the 197.

    @MIskier the 205 was a decent boat in those years. A buddy had one and I skied it open water, course, and barefooted. Cool thing was if the water was really crappy, you could barefoot that thing at 22 off and be so snuggled into the wake that it mashed all the crap down. It was a very solid boat all around for the size...kinda like the Sunsetter was for a bit there...I'm pretty impressed with those as well...perhaps more so as a bigger boat with higher free board and an open bow that doesn't dunk. The right sunsetter on PP with a tower and wedge would make a pretty interesting all around boat.
    Dave Ross--die cancer die
    MISkierTexas6
  • Bill22Bill22 Posts: 1,766 Mega Baller
    One prostar you never hear anyone mention is 195. Maybe it was only made for 1-2 years or in limited numbers. My friend has a 2001 195. The 195 must have become the 197 after 2001?
  • eleeskieleeski Posts: 4,001 Infinite Pandas
    The 197 might be the best all around boat ever built. Slalom was fine behind that boat. Lots of pbs were made from beginner to deep shortline behind my boats. Might be hundreds with all the college kids it has pulled. The wake was never a factor at my slalom level (a few at 35off) or for my guests who were a couple passes better.

    I'm not a jumper so I can't analyze the jump pull but it was pulling world records in jump.

    The trick wake shape and the smooth table were the best I ever skied behind.

    We have fat sacked the boat for a maxed out wakeboard wake to make the serious wakeboarders happy (the coaching was more important than the wake). We've surfed the wake and had fun. Even done some boat specific surf board evaluations.

    The biggest problem with the 197 is that the production run was too long. Nothing degraded the boat, but people want the latest - even if it is inferior. Maybe in a couple years MC will reintroduce the 197 as the most versatile boat possible. Which it is!

    Eric
    kpickettjipster43
  • eleeskieleeski Posts: 4,001 Infinite Pandas
    Good boats both for sure, but the MC wake is steeper. This means you can do more with less weight or water depth. Plus that steepness is why the MC trick wake is the best.

    At least you can get the Malibu's nice wake in a new boat and draw it in tournament - even if you can't use the wedge for tricks.

    Eric
  • The_MSThe_MS Posts: 6,514 Member of the BallOfSpray Hall Of Fame
    Junk
    Shut up and ski
  • Ralph LeeRalph Lee Posts: 492
    Nautique 206 is a far better option then the 197. I love the looks and the comfort of the boat, but Mastercraft really dropped the ball on the wakes. I think the wakes suck all the way till 32 off.
  • slowslow Posts: 515 Crazy Baller
    Agreed
    The_MS
  • eleeskieleeski Posts: 4,001 Infinite Pandas
    The Koolaide is strong.
    kpickett
  • The_MSThe_MS Posts: 6,514 Member of the BallOfSpray Hall Of Fame
    I hate driving them and the wake at slow speed and -22 and back suck.
    Shut up and ski
  • oldjeepoldjeep Posts: 3,890 ★★★Triple Panda Award Recipient ★★★
    edited August 2015
    At 30mph, 15off I prefer the wake on my vtx to a 2012 197 WTT.
    Chuck P
    Not a mechanic but I play one at home
  • Chris TaylorChris Taylor Posts: 123 Baller
    Thanks for the input, as I am not into 28 yet, definitely sounds like this boat is not for me.
    -Chris-.........Boatless
  • rodltg2rodltg2 Posts: 1,051 Crazy Baller
    It's really not that bad. At 32mph and up 15/22 is very skiable.
  • Chris TaylorChris Taylor Posts: 123 Baller
    I also have to consider that coming from a early 90's inboard, how bad could the wake be? I am used to a sloped nose so that doesn't bother me a bit, even after taking 4 waves over the windshield on Lake Michigan this year during the air show. lol
    -Chris-.........Boatless
  • inlandinland Posts: 94 Baller
    Honestly, either a 197 or a Response LXi will serve you well. I agree that the 197 is a super nice looking boat. Having been in and skied them both, all I can say is that the bow space in the LXi is slightly better than the 197 but there is little difference in how easily you take take water over the bow. If anything, slight advantage to the LXi if you plan on doing any wakeboarding. I own a Response LXi, but I can't tell you I'd be any less happy if I had a 197. They're both great boats and deeper than -22, I'm not sure the differences are all that apparent. As said, longer line the RLXi or TXi are better. Otherwise, drive them both and ski them both and make a decision. You can't go wrong either way.
    Inland
    2006 Response LXI
  • swc5150swc5150 Posts: 2,565 ★★★Triple Panda Award Recipient ★★★
    Taking the business side of the 197 out of the equation, make sure you take your wife out in one before buying. My wife won't set foot in an MC, due to the bone-jarring ride. As a family, we've owned 9 Prostar's throughout the year, and every single one was just brutal on bumpy, public water.
    Scott Calderwood
  • WolfeieWolfeie Posts: 179 Baller
    I had a 2004 X7 (197 with tower and ballast) and couild not have been happier with the boat. Had a great slalom wake which at 22 I felf was softer than SN196 22 (as long as you do not overload the boat.) Would have kept it but Zero Off upgrage would have been very costly.
    Brad Wolfe - Ski West Village, Arvin, Ca; Radar Pro Build, SN 200, I can see Ball of Spray headquarters from my lake house.
  • The_MSThe_MS Posts: 6,514 Member of the BallOfSpray Hall Of Fame
    That has to be the most preposterous statement of the year.
    Shut up and ski
    6ballsswc5150thager
  • rfarfa Posts: 277 Baller
    Interesting discussion...obviously somewhat subjective, by nature. Here's my (also subjective) input. Just sold 2008 LXi ( Monsoon, 500hrs) that i had for 5 years and absolutely loved. Bought a 2013 197 (Ilmor, 200hrs) on which I have put about 20 hrs. Initial impression not too favorable...thought the wake was a bit bigger at 32/-22, liked the immediate throttle response of the LXi better...LXi slightly roomier (no question bow is bigger). 20 hours later the throttle is a non-issue (got used to it and it's just fine), wake also non-issue at 34/-22 and beyond (for me
    that 's only -32). Pull some skiers at 28-30/-15 mph and they tell me the wake is soft...
    Very happy with it. if someone put two similar hour/condition boats in front of me and i had to choose...probably the LXi...but not without much "head scratching"...
    Rui Afonso
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