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Stargazer to Zero Off

skiepskiep Posts: 343 Crazy Baller
edited February 2010 in Technique & Theory
Just to let everyone know ( if you haven't herd) you can convert over if you have an excaliber engine. Mark Needum had Jody Seal convert his 2004 SN and i just got my 2006 back. Works like a champ. Keith Albritton P.S.- Oh and my cost was $4,200.00 because i have a Limited SN (new Gateway box needed)

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  • Old MS AccoutOld MS Accout Posts: 2,114 Baller
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    Keith,
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    How much in parts if you if you were to do all yourself?   
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  • thagerthager Posts: 5,112 Mega Baller
    Not every Excaliber is convertible. I have an early 02 and am SOL. My engine did not have a Cam position sensor or crank position sensor (one or the other)so the cost is way beyond my means and I was going to do the work myself. On the plus side though my LE doesn't have a Gateway box.
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  • Old MS AccoutOld MS Accout Posts: 2,114 Baller
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    Crap.
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    Send the kid to ULM on a waterski ticket. Get her a new 200 and the wife will buy off on that.
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  • thagerthager Posts: 5,112 Mega Baller
    Yeah, That could happen!!
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  • skiepskiep Posts: 343 Crazy Baller
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    Mark, I don't know what the breakdown is. I purchased the ZO for $1,600.00 + The can-buss cable and power wire. Probably around $2,100.00 for parts if i had to guess (Limited needs new gatway box) and 500.00 for install will be close. Keep in mind one day someone may need my old parts (ECM,SG etc,) Keith
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  • Old MS AccoutOld MS Accout Posts: 2,114 Baller
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    Thanks Keith. There are some good deals out there on 2005/06 Nautiques and that could get me back in a boat of my own. Our club just bought an 08 196 but there is nothing like having your own boat. See you in Oct unless it may be sooner.  
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  • teammalibuteammalibu Posts: 1,029 Mega Baller
    Ill sell my zero off for 34k and it comes wrapped in a 2008 LXI low hours 318-230-1133
    Mike Erb Cedar Ridge Canton Miss.
    Horton is my hero
  • GMCGMC Posts: 108 Baller
    Hey MS I have an 05 Nautique I want to sell...  What's a "good deal"? 
  • Old MS AccoutOld MS Accout Posts: 2,114 Baller
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    GMC, For me or you?
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    I wont be ready for any move like that for a few months,but my guess is that your boat just took on some additional value.  
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  • GMCGMC Posts: 108 Baller
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    Good point!  I haven't officially put mine on the market yet but it's my intent to sell it this spring.
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  • Old MS AccoutOld MS Accout Posts: 2,114 Baller
    Just put ZO in your boat and keep it. Are you going to a 200?
  • GMCGMC Posts: 108 Baller
    No.  I live on a lake that is totally unskiable.  It sits in the lift all the time while I drive across town to ski.  I put 6-8 hours on it each of the last two years - just early season drysuit skiing and then summertime booze cruising. 
  • Hi

    I have an 2006 model ski nautique 206, i wish to upgrade to Zero Off but am not sure if it's possible with my boat. My Perfect Pass module is "DBW04843", the serial number of the boat is "CTC62019G506"

    Kind
    Regards
    Jared
  • thagerthager Posts: 5,112 Mega Baller
    JaredFish,

    Talk to Tim White at inboardsolutions. Tim was able to determine if my Excaliber was upgradable, gave me a price and I did the upgrade. PP module has no effect on ZO install.
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  • thager, inboardsolutions.com has no website??
  • thagerthager Posts: 5,112 Mega Baller
    Sorry about that I just google it. The website is www.inboardsolutionsllc.com
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  • Thanks, any idea on cost?
  • thagerthager Posts: 5,112 Mega Baller
    Mine was 3K but the 2002 196 did not have a gateway to change out so an 06 could be more. Talk to Tim! He's a straight shooter. Also you will be able to sell your PP to help with cost.
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  • He Said i'm looking @ about $4192.74, unfortunately it's out of my price range.
  • You know I am wondering if the best way to emulate ZO in the really older boats is to go back to the PP switch and just use manual GPS for setting up.

    Example - We skied today and i plugged in a Garmin GPS. My bud was pulling down the boat 3 to 4 km during the pull and it would recover at the ball. I have a PP Switch, set pretty soft (I think) so I probably can tune that to pile on more throttle to maintain speed and keep the GPS constant. This is what Zero Huff does of course to maintain actual speed (v.s. RPM)
  • Than_BoganThan_Bogan Posts: 6,852 Mega Baller
    A friend in PA swears by using the switch to "emulate" ZO with his PP boat.  Personally now that I've found my setting (B1) and adapted my technique, I can't even tell the difference.
    Nathaniel Bogan -- GUT Padawan
  • aguylikesharkaguylikeshark Posts: 140
    edited September 2010
    We did this today Kx+ and Px 15 or 20 with the switch. To "gas" more I could use a higher Px. Felt very Zo-ish to me.

    BTW Any control algo that is tuned for tight control will experience some overshoot beyond the setpoint (e.g 34.2). Unless it's what we call model-based then control overshoot is more contained.


    To maintain boat "speed" you have to work the throttle pretty hard depending on the skier. Today I had a tech look into developing Laptop based software/hardware for a GPS Slalom Pass Tracker - something that collects the Speed and RPM between the 55's or the gates, then plots it.

    This way we'll be able to measure boat performance and get one boat close to another in terms of response. ZO or PP
  • Than_BoganThan_Bogan Posts: 6,852 Mega Baller
    I might be interested in that data if it becomes available.  My interest is mainly in quantifying what ABC and 123 <em>really</em> do.
    Nathaniel Bogan -- GUT Padawan
  • eleeskieleeski Posts: 3,977 Infinite Pandas
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    That would be very useful data!
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    I emulate with KX- PX 10 and run the baseline down so my skier weight is 50 to 100 lbs higher than actual. On ZO I ski C3.
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    Very interesting to compare CC, MC and Malibu (and Centurion?).
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    Eric
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