07 Nautique 196 Zero Off new install issue

skihartskihart Posts: 414 Baller
My neighbor just bought a 2007 196 and had the dealer put in the single puck ZO. He drove it up to the lake and tried using it. Everything works with the boat and ZO, except the it doesn't actually control the speed. It beeps after throttling up like normal but just never takes over controlling the engine. Tried it in all modes in including RPM and still the same. Actually in rpm mode it doesn't beep when you have passed the set point. It seems to have a gps signal and coordinates and speed register while driving.

The problem is that the dealer is about 6 hours away at this point. Did a little searching and could the gateway need a reflash? New updated gateway? Where is the gateway located, we couldn't find it to verify connections?
Any help would be appreciated.
Thanks
Rob

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  • Jody_SealJody_Seal Posts: 2,349 Mega Baller
    edited June 2016
    Was this boat a ZO boat to begin with? Also is the ZO display reading RPM's?
    Hobby Boats can be expensive when the hobbyist is limited on their own skill and expertise.


  • skihartskihart Posts: 414 Baller
    @Jody_Seal Yes it is reading rpms and no it actually didnt have any speed control installed before the ZO, if you can believe it.
  • bajabaja Posts: 233 Baller
    @skihart one of our club members just had ZO one puck system installed 2 weeks ago in his 2007 196 by the famous boat whisperer Doug Moss. Doug also had a similar issue and after research and tech support discovered an old Nautique Service Bulletin related to the wire harness installed in the 2007 196. Apparently 2 wires were installed incorrectly. It was a simple switch the wire connection that solved the problem. I will PM you Doug's contact info. He can probably point your neighbor in the right direction.
    skihart
  • Jody_SealJody_Seal Posts: 2,349 Mega Baller
    Ok you will need to send the Engine's ECM to Pleasure Craft Marine to have it reconfigured to communicate with the ZO. it usually cost about $50 and they can get it back out within a week turnaround.
    Hobby Boats can be expensive when the hobbyist is limited on their own skill and expertise.


  • skihartskihart Posts: 414 Baller
    @Jody_Seal thanks i will have him tell the dealer
    @baja I will call him this afternoon to see if it's the same situation.
    Bruce_Butterfield
  • Jody_SealJody_Seal Posts: 2,349 Mega Baller
    edited June 2016
    If you are seeing RPM on the ZO display then the CanBus wire's are correct. The communication link for the ZO needs to turned on in the ECM as the ECM is set to communicate with PP and not ZO. To my knowledge this can only be done by sending the ECM back to PleasureCraft engines for a re-flash.
    Hobby Boats can be expensive when the hobbyist is limited on their own skill and expertise.


    rawly
  • skihartskihart Posts: 414 Baller
    Okay well talked to Doug who really seems to know his stuff. The canbus wires may not be correct attached as per the old service bulletin. But I am pretty sure that the gauge WAS showing rpm sooooo, I will have to check that the dealer that they did send in the ecm for the flash when they did the install, ortherwise @Jody_Seal is correct and it needs to be done. Does the ecm always need a reflash in the 07's?

    Will verify the rpm readings again tonight. Does the rpm reading confirm for sure that the canbus wires are connected correctly?
  • Jody_SealJody_Seal Posts: 2,349 Mega Baller
    Yes if the Canbus wires are backwards then no RPM reading on the ZO. If you do not have a RPM reading then there in lies your problem, switch the wires and try again. it can be done at the dash where the Can Hi&low connect into the ZO harness behind the dash, They would just need to be switched in the pin connector which is real easy peasy.. But early 07 E-control ECM's need to be reflashed to communicate with ZO. this still may be an issue in this application.
    Hobby Boats can be expensive when the hobbyist is limited on their own skill and expertise.


    baja
  • lakeaustinskierlakeaustinskier Posts: 324 Solid Baller
    I happen to own an 07 196 and installed ZO in my boat. The ECM definitely needs to be re-flashed. Since the conversion I haven't had any issues.

    In my opinion this endeavor isn't for amateurs. Have the dealer do the job.
    Ted Thomson, Austin Texas, Aquaplex
    skihart
  • skihartskihart Posts: 414 Baller
    Okay so we do get a rpm reading. So the ecm needs a reflash. How do you remove the ecm. Just plug and play from the main harness?
    Thanks @Jody_Seal
  • skihartskihart Posts: 414 Baller
    Well we got the ECM back from the dealer and installed it in the boat. ZO now works great BUT the boat runs rough. Seems to miss and cough quite a bit after the reflash. Could something have been changed when they did the reflash? @Jody_Seal
  • Fast351Fast351 Posts: 203 Baller
    Needs to relearn fuel profiles? I don't know if the ECMs in these things are adaptive, but after a flash or power removal for extended periods of time, the adaptive learning would be reset, although I wouldn't expect quite as much engine troubles as it seems you're having.
    Mike van Meeteren
    skihartMISkier
  • skihartskihart Posts: 414 Baller
    @Fast351. Hmmm that could be. Seems to be getting better each day. I thought maybe it was a fuel problem after the boat sat waiting for the ECM. Thanks for the input.
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