C class turn and burn rule change

Having to return to the orignal starting point does not save time---due to setting at each end.
purposed: Start your turn burn pass at end you finish. Yes you could get head wind pass but you still are in jeopardy. Nothing different than opting up for any wind/glare advantage.
This would speed things up.


  • Than_BoganThan_Bogan Posts: 7,002 Mega Baller
    Sure, why not? I don't love Turn & Burn in general, but tournaments simply have to run faster to remain attractive in this era. I can't think of any major negative consequences of allowing this.

    The only issue I can think of is that it may be a little unclear what end you "finished" on. In this case does the skier get a choice? I can't seem to come up with any major problem with that either. Heck, now that I think about it, if it were logistically possible, I think it would be great to allow the skier to select starting end in any round.
    Nathaniel Bogan -- GUT Padawan
  • 94009400 Posts: 646 Crazy Baller
    I have not been a fan of the turn and burn in the tournaments I've skied in.
  • ToddLToddL Posts: 2,899 Mega Baller
    edited June 2016
    Typically, people do this in the Turn and Burn rounds I've witnessed:

    Round 2 score
    Opener - Pass 1
    Pass 2
    Pass 3
    Pass 4 - miss, round over score determined.

    Typically Rd 3 Turn and Burn starts at
    Pass 3
    Pass 4 - and so on until miss

    Thus, skiers typically back up and repeat their last successful spend/line length.
    In some rare situations where that last successful line length was unexpectedly good score for the skier (i.e. normally not run); then, the skier might back up one more pass to start turn and burn.

    Thus, sometimes Rd 3 Turn and Burn starts at
    Pass 2
    Pass 3
    Pass 4 - and so on until miss

    So, if a rule is going to be proposed to limit starting the whole set over, I would recommend this text:
    "In a Turn and Burn round, the skier may only go back a max of 2 speeds/line lengths from the prior round's score. (i.e. if the prior round score was some # of buoys at -35 off, then the skier must start the T&B round at -28.)"

    -- The future of skiing depends upon welcoming novice skiers regardless of age to our sport.
  • Than_BoganThan_Bogan Posts: 7,002 Mega Baller
    @ToddL I think you're talking about something totally different. @walleye is just proposing to save 30ish seconds by starting the next round from the nearest end. The skier could start at any pass as usual.
    Nathaniel Bogan -- GUT Padawan
  • ToddLToddL Posts: 2,899 Mega Baller
    Ah. @Than_Bogan you are correct. @walleye is merely suggesting the option to continue without having to change lake ends. Got it.

    Still, if there was a problem with people starting completely over that needed a solution, the text above would address it. But hey... Let's not solve problems that do not exist.
    -- The future of skiing depends upon welcoming novice skiers regardless of age to our sport.
  • BRYBRY Posts: 593 Crazy Baller
    @toddl You are a killjoy... some of the most entertaining threads on this board are about trying to solve problems that do not exist. :)
  • walleyewalleye Posts: 197 Baller
    Problem is: Setting at opposite end of starting point. Figure in boat wait timer, going back thru course then setting again - wait timer again, somebody falls down going back thru or misses second up. Turn and burn is to speed things up not slow them down.

    I am not a fan of turn and burn and very rarely see it help a skier. Purpose is to save time. Having to go back in forth does not save time when rules state you have to start at the same point.
  • skiinxsskiinxs Posts: 688 ★★★Triple Panda Award Recipient ★★★
    I'm in favor of it. How about. "Turn and burn next round shall commence from drop location end from last round. If skier falls, turn and burn round will start from closest end to pick up location".
  • ALPJrALPJr Posts: 2,701 Mega Baller
    Used to be a 4 round novice slalom in Marlboro MA practice Friday tourney Saturday. Rounds 1/2 and 3/4 were each back to back. Went to two of them, each had 30 - 40 skiers. Hotel overlooking the pond, camping for some on the beach/starting spot. Was awesome! Would like to see that and the Iron Man Slalom at Johns and Twin both come back.
  • walleyewalleye Posts: 197 Baller
    Thanks @skiinxs finally someone that has hosted tournaments and spent time in the boat that knows how to run an efficient tourney.

    @ ToddL dude I have read your lengthy post about cameras and all this technical crap to host a class c tourney, Remember volunteers make all this happen. Low budget clubs cannot play your high dollar games.

    Correct me if I am wrong but I believe you were the one crying about B-3 having to ski 36 mph, Now that rule change along with no gate is what @Bry would be talking about (stupid rule changes).
  • DragoDrago Posts: 1,707 Mega Baller
    @walleye this ain't skifly
    SR SL Judge & Driver (“a driver who is super late on the wheel and is out of sync”)
  • RichardDoaneRichardDoane Posts: 4,801 Mega Baller
    @walleye - I would not support your change, too much of a benefit by picking the starting end IMO, T & B is already a type of legalized cheating.

    BallOfSpray Pacific Northwest Vice President of Event Management, aka "Zappy"
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