Would this impact your plans for Nationals????

Horton

What if there were other tournaments nearby during the Nationals week? Instead of only one Nationals ride you could get 3 or more additional rounds.

@Russell I am thinking slalom but we could do the same thing for trick.

MattP

Love the idea @horton but you will not get a USAWS sanction during Nationals time. If I'm not mistaken it's a rule.

skidawg

I am going anyway - extra rounds would be great

Class F for cash-no sanction?

ColeGiacopuzzi

I am going anyway - extra rounds would be great

It would be Way better to get some extra rounds in than going for one practice ride and one true round at nationals.

Horton

I am on the fence / additional tournament rounds during Nationals week increases the chance I will go

You guys leave the sanctioning/rules issues to me. That is a completely different subject. Let's assume the extra rounds are at least Class C if not class L.

MISkier

I won't qualify, but you are on the right track with this. It would definitely appeal to me much more than just a one and done. And, if it can be done without substantially altering/extending Nationals or placing undue pressure on the organizers, it would be a very tempting incentive.

RichardDoane

I am on the fence / additional tournament rounds during Nationals week increases the chance I will go

it's short sighted that you can not sanction any events during the "nationals" week IMO

ALPJr

I will likely not be qualified so I don't care - not going

Maybe @Mateo Vargas could bring back Uncle Al's Novice Nationals at Berkeley

DavidP

I am on the fence / additional tournament rounds during Nationals week increases the chance I will go

Extra rounds would better justify the expense and time off from work. If its just me skiing one round to place 25th or so, more than likely I don't go to Nationals or Regionals. My wife and kids would probably ski the class C if available.

Horton

I am on the fence / additional tournament rounds during Nationals week increases the chance I will go

@Davidp that is exactly my pitch

BCM

I am on the fence / additional tournament rounds during Nationals week increases the chance I will go

Something to spread the cost of travel would be great (extra rounds, a lake to demo new skis, coaching clinic, etc...). However, it would take an awful lot to justify traveling 1000+ miles for regionals and then likely 2000+ miles for nationals this year.

I would vote extra jump rounds over slalom, but my wife consistently tells me something between my ears isn't right...

bishop8950

I am on the fence / additional tournament rounds during Nationals week increases the chance I will go

If Nationals is happening somewhere near a BOSCP event I might have to go to Nationals while I am in town :-)

Horton

I am on the fence / additional tournament rounds during Nationals week increases the chance I will go

I hate to go off topic on my own thread but what about this idea?

What if the same day as your Nationals ride you ski a second round that is handicapped based on your Nationals ride? You have to pay for it before your Nationals ride. If you stink it up really bad at Nationals you still have a great chance of winning the Handicap.

A handicap round could be run every evening and regardless of age group. So everyone who skis on Monday could enter the Monday handicap round. You could not go straight handicap.... the guy who misses his opener does not get a 100 ball advantage. Maybe a -6 compared to USAWS average would be the max handicap. Those details are ease to define.

PatM

I am on the fence / additional tournament rounds during Nationals week increases the chance I will go

@Horton I think it would have to be a class C because of the judges needed to run an L or R would probably already be occupied with the Nationals.

jcamp

I am going anyway - Don't care about extra rounds

@horton would that be at the same Nationals site, or at a different location?

Horton

I am on the fence / additional tournament rounds during Nationals week increases the chance I will go

@jcamp If Nationals was at a 4 lake site and there was enough daylight and it did not impact practice the same site would be best.

For now I am just thinking out loud. In my mind there is a problem and I am working through possible solutions. I still much prefer the idea of more tournament rides* for my plane ticket and hotel room cost. Somehow it has to be win win for most parties involved.

Side note: I sometimes read skiers talk about how practice rides during an event are still part of the reason to be there. I do not get that. I take a practice ride or 2 on site only to feel the water to get ready for my official ride.

disland

I am on the fence / additional tournament rounds during Nationals week increases the chance I will go

I like the idea, however I would want to be sure they had a cap on entries so;

1. be sure to be done before it gets dark (unless you made it a night event, interesting option)
2. I wouldn't want to be waiting around for hours for my set.

I actually like the night idea. Might be something fun that most people never get a chance to really do. And the heat at Nationals is always an issue so this would be a way to stay cool.

Horton

I am on the fence / additional tournament rounds during Nationals week increases the chance I will go

@disland yes yes yes entry numbers have to be capped for time and for officials availability. Don't worry about details throw out ideas.

disland

I am on the fence / additional tournament rounds during Nationals week increases the chance I will go

The more I think about it the more I like the night idea. That would be something really cool and not just another class C slalom round.

But I want a re-ride for golf cart lights

dchristman

@disland shirts!

Horton

I am on the fence / additional tournament rounds during Nationals week increases the chance I will go

@dchristman cute but please no

mmosley899

I am going anyway - extra rounds would be great

If you have the lake to run it on site, just run the second ride staggered one hour later after your Nationals ride. Same running order. Class C.

klindy

I am going anyway - extra rounds would be great

@Horton Great idea. I'd be shocked (and very disappointed) if the idea was rejected for a sanction.

disland

I am on the fence / additional tournament rounds during Nationals week increases the chance I will go

@klindy Its a free country. @horton can have a tournament anywhere and time he wants except China, Russia or North Korea

Horton

I am on the fence / additional tournament rounds during Nationals week increases the chance I will go

So far a lot of official people like the idea. Unfortunately I've yet to deal with any of the people that actually can make it happen. The wheels are turning.

klindy

I am going anyway - extra rounds would be great

@disland I realize it's a free country and Horton can have a tournament where he wants. However if he wants a sanction from AWSA he'll need EVP approval. Again I'd be shocked and disappointed if it wasn't granted.

skidawg

I am going anyway - extra rounds would be great

I would not be shocked if it wasnt granted

BRY

I am going anyway - extra rounds would be great

From the 2017 Nationals - WBP's Discussion with AWSA/p1 thread:

6. Need the ability to host additional tournaments throughout Nationals. These events would be sanctioned as the following ski year only if that event was complete at Nationals.

Straw pole (non‐binding; for informational use only)
Strongly opposed ‐ 0
Yes ‐ 17
Undecided ‐ 0

Seems idea already presented to AWSA BOD and though informal, non-binding, seems strong support as no undecided/opposing votes.

I think having a tournament in concert with Nat's does not violate the intention of the rule not allowing other sanctions at same time. Such a tournament does not detract from Nationals or Nationals participation, it most likely enhances both. I understand the intent of the rule is to prevent tournaments elsewhere, hundreds or thousands of miles away, from detracting from Nationals. Say a tournament in Bakersfield when Nationals are in Texas would be a no.

klindy

I am going anyway - extra rounds would be great

@skidawg Maybe so but if that were the case, I would like to know how any of the directors voted.

Horton

I am on the fence / additional tournament rounds during Nationals week increases the chance I will go

If there was a BallOfSpray event parallel to Nationals, would you be as interested if it were class F or does it need to be Class C or higher?

sunperch

I am going anyway - extra rounds would be great

Would I really would like would be an easier way to get more practice rounds at Nationals. Idaho was the bomb as we were able to walk up and get a practice rides within minutes most of the time, and at most an hour wait.