In light of the recently posted video of an unfortunate boat path, I have some questions with boat path and what gets done about a poor one..one that may not be that extreme.
1. How do you judge the pylon location when the head of a judge is clearly in the way? Use the judges head? Is it vid from stearn direction that gets used?
....I've seen stearn vid of a skier behind a tail wagging Centurian with the pylon pretty straight down the middle.
2. How is it decided it is cheating vs just sucky driving when I have heard that it is hard to "help" a skier on such a short line.? A sudden increase in scores aside, what really determines a cheat driver?.
4. If it is cheating, what is the judicious procedure for making changes to scores?
5. What is the judicious procedure for reviewing further boat paths when one is determined to be out of line?
Looking for answers outside of the controversy and emotions. Looking for judges to chime in. It may be a good thing for current and future sites that are taking time and money to put on tournaments. Especially sites that may want to go from class C to an R. Hopefully good info and less emotions can prevail on this thread. Just looking for answeres, not examples....although hypotheticals that can easily explain rules may help.
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2. I am no expert on what the committee is looking for. I have often heard them use the term "pattern driving" to benefit the skier. There are tolerances for boat movement and these tolerances are in place when an driver is pulled off the center line. The tolerances are not meant to be aimed for with an intentional weave done to benefit the skier
So in my opinion a cheating driver is a driver who drives with an intentional weave to benefit or increase a skier or group of skiers scores I am told a record which is within tolerance can be denied if the manner of driving is done intentionally to benefit the skier. I guess that goes back to the pattern driving reference.
4. As for the process I do not know and I am not part of any committee within USA Waterski. My guess is a determination that pattern driving was evident and occured during the event
I am of the understanding that in this case it was the IWSF who decided to pull the scores from the event off of the world standings list. The letter from AWSA indicates that the board will decide what to do with the rest of the scores during the meeting in January as of now the scores have been Dow graded from class L or R to class E
I do not know the process which allows the iwsf to pull the scores from the world standings list
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Summary (in cm, divide by 2.54 for inches)
Average Deviation at Buoy 1: -0.086
Average Deviation at Buoy 2: -7.887
Average Deviation at Buoy 3: 2.738
Average Deviation at Buoy 4: 2.262
Average Deviation at Buoy 5: 3.370
Average Deviation at Buoy 6: -0.484
Cumulative Deviation at Buoy 1:(20) -0.086
Cumulative Deviation at Buoy 2:(28) -7.973
Cumulative Deviation at Buoy 3:(35) -5.235
Cumulative Deviation at Buoy 4:(40) -2.973
Cumulative Deviation at Buoy 5:(45) 0.397
Cumulative Deviation at Buoy 6:(49) -0.087
To answer @Wish first question - if you can't see the pylon you do the best you can - in this case splitting the center windshield panel. Yes you are measuring a point 2-4 feet in front of the pylon so if the boat is wagging a lot around the pylon there is a small discrepancy, but you can see in the frame-by-frame when that is happening and you make allowances
The cumulative deviation will normally catch a driver intentionally helping or hindering the skier. What it won't catch is a driver driving straight but off center. A driver can drive 6" to the right all the way down the course and get an in-tolerance pass with a zero cumulative score. Not sure what that feels like to a shortline skier though! That's why SplashEye EC adds in some extra measures of a drivers performance as an aid to improvement.
A mark or small post on the top of the windshield that is visible in the end-course video camera (both directions) shall be placed 20 cm from the centre of the windshield on both sides of the centre to aid in the determination of the 20 cm deviation.
@Chad_Scott used the word "suggested" when mentioning centerline marking. IWWF rules states a 5cm strip on the center of the windshield will be used. In the two marks it says "shall" and in the single center mark it's says "will".
With full respect to Chad, suggested or otherwise, Having noted the above, has any one of you ever seen such markings or "posts" on a boat in any tournament C,E,L,R? I personally have not.
I gotta say, other then a scant few pro events that I have seen, a mark on a windshield is never there. This seems more and more like a judgment call then exact science. Am I wrong and if so..why? I can see why it would be tough to get this into the Olympics regardless of the ...its propelled by an engine.. reasoning.
This is all very interesting, most likely very helpful to others and again appreciate the time and posts.
Anyone want to take a stab at questions 4 and 5? I know there's high ranking AWSA personal around here.
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