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Radar Carbitex Vapor Boots unboxing & assembly

HortonHorton Posts: 28,096 Administrator

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  • matt_bmatt_b Posts: 67 Baller
    I have watched my first unboxing after about 7 years! Good job. My question, Is the Sequence plate you used better then the 2 smaller, separate plates that actually come with the boots? And why?
  • HortonHorton Posts: 28,096 Administrator
    edited February 2017
    @matt_b the single plate allows for better adjustability.

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  • ToddLToddL Posts: 2,823 Mega Baller
    ROTFLOL! Dork! Socks, toe caps, etc. You know better. That Cali heat in Feb getting to your head, @Horton? I guess your videos are getting better. Actually, I liked this one's chill approach and honesty. Keep it up!

    @matt_b - the front most and back most screw holes on the plate are slotted. There are two sets for the middle holes. You only use one set. Basically, set 1 is located for the heal of the front binding inserts on the ski and set 2 is at the toe of the back mounting inserts. But here's the genius - the back set of inserts are offset by 1/2 a screw hole compared to the front set. So, in order of moving the whole plate forward or back, you alternate from the first holes in set 1 to the first holes in set 2 then to the 2nd holes in set 1 then to the 2nd holes in set 2, and so on. Each movement is moving the whole plate up by 3/16th of an inch.

    There are some theories about the stiffness difference between 1 plate vs. 2. Meh. Clearly there is a flex point between 2 plates. But there are more screws so each of the two plates are potentially stiffer than the 1 plate.

    One great tip with the Sequence plate is to mount your front shell, then measure the distance from the seem at the heal to back end of the plate. Write this measurement on the plate where it can be seen with both shells mounted. Now, when you need to measure your front binding placement you can simply measure from the plate to the end of the ski and then add this written down measurement to that.
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  • matt_bmatt_b Posts: 67 Baller
    Thanks! I have a sequence plate, so I will give it a try. New ski and boots this year.
  • GolfguyGolfguy Posts: 204 Solid Baller
    My question is: Wouldn't the socks exaggerate the total volume in the liner so that when you ski with them without the socks, the liner would be too large?
  • HortonHorton Posts: 28,096 Administrator
    @Golfguy no. The socks actually help mostly with length so the liner is not too short when you are done.

    I didn't make this point in the video but it's also important to slightly under tighten all the laces when you do the heat mold. That keeps the liners from becoming too thin during the molding process.

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  • skidawgskidawg Posts: 3,292 Mega Baller
    Dude, you are looking so old.....
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  • Dacon62Dacon62 Posts: 705 Crazy Baller
    Got my Carbitex boots...they look awesome. Size 11 fits perfect for size 10 feet.
    Waiting for my 2017 Radar Senate Lithium to join them.
  • jjackkrashjjackkrash Posts: 582 Crazy Baller
    These are probably my next purchase.
  • jjackkrashjjackkrash Posts: 582 Crazy Baller
    Question: I have a few plates laying around that I bought with my RS-1's, but they are probably 5 or more years old. Have the plates changed any? Do the boots come with the plate, or is the plate extra?
  • Dacon62Dacon62 Posts: 705 Crazy Baller
    Not sure if changed from years ago but if you buy the new boots the plates are included so no worries.
  • HortonHorton Posts: 28,096 Administrator
    The plates ( hole pattern) has not changed.

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  • slowslow Posts: 359 Solid Baller
    edited February 2017
    I used my boat shower as hot as I could stand to mold my last liners. Then jumped in the cold north idaho water. Worked great.
  • igkyaigkya Posts: 668 Crazy Baller
    200 degree oven. Place liners on baking sheet for 10-15 min. Use socks to mold as others have stated.
  • ZmanZman Posts: 1,523 Crazy Baller
    @Horton So, do you still think the liners will eventually mold to your feet just as well from just skiing?
  • HortonHorton Posts: 28,096 Administrator
    @Zman meh. I have I have always skipped the heat molding and the liners feel good to me. If you heat mold them they should just be a little better.

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  • wtrskiorwtrskior Posts: 704 Crazy Baller
    @perfski any customers put the newer liners in older RS1/Strada shells?

    I have 2 sets of RS1 shells that are in near perfect shape but the liners are closing in on their functional lifespan.
  • HortonHorton Posts: 28,096 Administrator
    @wtrskior new liners will fit perfectly

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  • HortonHorton Posts: 28,096 Administrator
    I tried out my new boots yesterday. As predicted the first pass or two were BAD! First pass was 2 balls. By the 6th pass things felt pretty darn good. The boots will work even better after I get a few more sets in them.

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  • I5boiI5boi Posts: 152 Baller
    @Horton and anyone else. How is the fit? I'm a 10.5 so I'm going to try an 11 at Wiley's this week. Shim in or shim out? I'm sure the shims will end up in the kitchen for guacamole.
  • HortonHorton Posts: 28,096 Administrator
    @I5boi I wear a size 10 1/2 shoe in a size 11 Radar.

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  • ozskiozski Posts: 1,664
    Are they significantly different from the previous model (red and black) with the BOA system? I had a look at a pair the other day and thought they were pretty similar to the red version which is an excellent product. I have a season on mine and it looks like new..
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  • wtrskiorwtrskior Posts: 704 Crazy Baller
    @scotchipman I am an 8.5 wide and have size 9 RS1s. 8s are way too small, but the 9s fit great! i need a bit more volume in the big toe area so have heat molded with just a thin sock and a piece of paper taped over my big toe.

  • wtrskiorwtrskior Posts: 704 Crazy Baller
    @scotchipman congrats! They look really really nice. Please share a post when you've had a chance to get them wet a few times to compare.

    I tell everyone that my RS1 boots are the single best investment I've ever made in this sport. I can't kill them (probably because I take really good care of them!). Interested to hear your comparison!
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  • cragginshredcragginshred Posts: 693 Crazy Baller
    I will get a pair at some time this year! As Horton stated it can be pretty frustrating during the break in period. When I needed to replace my Vapor boots last summer, it was one at a time and I had to lace them looser and was really frustrated at first.

    When I upgrade to these I will plan to ski my sets then just have these on another ski to and break them in on a 3rd set for a few days before putting them on my 2017 Vapor pro and going for it.

    When you only have 2 or 3 ski days a week I can't spend the only passes I'm trying breaking in boots.
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  • dislanddisland Posts: 1,325 Mega Baller
    @horton I thought you were going to review the edge binders first. Are you doing Radar before Edge?
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  • HortonHorton Posts: 28,096 Administrator
    edited February 2017
    @disland I am sort of mixing it up. I am skiing on the Radars at the moment but hope to shoot another video about the Edge boots this week. There are a few (and only a few) really good binding systems on the market. I think I would be mostly happy in any of them.

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  • cragginshredcragginshred Posts: 693 Crazy Baller
    edited February 2017
    @Horton please let us/me know how the Carbitex compare to the vapors and if it's a significant upgrade in terms of performance?

    The Vapors seem to last about 3 seasons or less depending on how often you ski. Then they break down and tear or come apart in various places (my experience). Seems like the more burly construction the Carbitex has would allow them to last much longer especially for guys who live on lakes and ski daily.
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  • HortonHorton Posts: 28,096 Administrator
    edited February 2017
    @cragginshred The new boots look to be better built and I would think they will last a lot longer. Each generation of the Radar boots has been better than the previous.

    Will they give you a higher score then a pair of new 2015 boots? meh. That would be a stretch. I think using the Boa system for the bottom part of the boot should result in a more consistent fit and that may very well result in a higher score.

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