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Kill switch failing.

WishWish Posts: 7,834 ★★★Triple Panda Award Recipient ★★★
97 196 with kill switch failing. I did the temporary bandaid and slipped a shim between lanyard clip and kill button but that's starting to not work. I'm sure it's a simple fix to hard wire it but seems that the leaning curve is often shortened greatly here on BOS. Suggestions, comments welcome. Is it easier to do with driver seat removed or is that not needed? Just a couple wires to cut and wire nut together or is it more then that? Thanks in advance for posts.
>>> 11.25..a different kettle of fish. <<<
DanE
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  • eleeskieleeski Posts: 3,872 Infinite Pandas
    Kill kill switches!
  • oldjeepoldjeep Posts: 3,424 Mega Baller
    edited April 2017
    If you want to keep a kill switch, maybe consider replacing it with the Malibu style toggle rather than the spring loaded pull up switch. Much less prone to failure, and you don't need to leave the lanyard dangling on it if you never use it
    kill switch
    Chuck P
    Not a mechanic but I play one at home
  • cragginshredcragginshred Posts: 693 Crazy Baller
    This is the very first thing I look at when the boat mysteriously wont start. Last summer lake owners were frantically looking at the engine and talking about blown gaskets. We were all walking down the levee back to the dock and I said lets double check the kill switch and re seat it -bam fixed!
    Vapor pro 2017
  • eleeskieleeski Posts: 3,872 Infinite Pandas
    edited April 2017
    @Jody_Seal If I'm riding a jetski, I'm using a kill switch. Extrapolating this reasonable use to a tournament ski boat is absurd. I wonder if more deaths have occurred due to failure of the kill switch at a bad time then getting spontaneously ejected from a tournament boat.

    Rules which are misguided do not deserve our support.

    I've had so many killswitches fail. Like @cragginshred says, check that first. But Jody has a good point, replacement is easy. Troubleshooting a hidden corroded wire nut from the removed kill switch is really hard.

    Eric
    DavidNWishDanEBruce_Butterfield
  • WishWish Posts: 7,834 ★★★Triple Panda Award Recipient ★★★
    edited April 2017
    Found one on Skidim.. $25.00 hmmmm.
    >>> 11.25..a different kettle of fish. <<<
  • Stevie BoyStevie Boy Posts: 2,021 ★★★Triple Panda Award Recipient ★★★
    I,m with @Jody_Seal , replace it, don't modify, it's there for a reason, like he said, if there was a event, even if it wasn't your fault, it could be a get out clause for the insurance company.

    When The Going Gets Tough, Get Stoked !

  • WishWish Posts: 7,834 ★★★Triple Panda Award Recipient ★★★
    New one ordered. From GanderMountain of all places.
    >>> 11.25..a different kettle of fish. <<<
    Orlando76
  • Orlando76Orlando76 Posts: 1,060 ★★★Triple Panda Award Recipient ★★★
    There's NO reason not to have a kill switch on any type of boat. The advocates of removal must have never fished a body out of the water.
  • thagerthager Posts: 4,570 Mega Baller
    I do most of my course maintenance leaning out the drivers seat on my submersible course. Should shut the engine down but don't always. Would be very easy to bump the throttle and get dumped out. Can think of a lot of other scenarios also. Keep it and use it!
    Stir vigorously then leave!
  • WishWish Posts: 7,834 ★★★Triple Panda Award Recipient ★★★
    edited April 2017
    I suspect if I did a poll of ....do you use the kill switch in your ski boat? There would be less then 2% use. Now, how is it there are so many safety measures/rules when it comes to tournament skiing but having the driver use the kill switch is not one of them (from what I know)?
    >>> 11.25..a different kettle of fish. <<<
  • eleeskieleeski Posts: 3,872 Infinite Pandas
    @Orlando76 No, I've never fished a body out of the water. Only remote chance will be a swimmer drowned in a rip current at our beach. Has anyone EVER died after being thrown from a ski boat? For that matter, has anyone ever used the stupid lanyard in a ski boat? Realistic assessment of risk matters.

    @thager You can really work on your course from the driver's seat with your right hand cuffed to a lanyard? Just pull the throttle pin - it's quick, easy, foolproof and safe.

    A squall quickly came up at the other end of Shushwap lake (a very long fetch to generate 4 foot waves). To keep from sinking, we had to keep the boat in a bow high running attitude when crossing back to the safe harbor. Physical enough to require some driver up and down and rough enough to possibly shake a clip loose (especially on an old switch). Fortunately our old boat didn't have a safety problem kill switch so the engine kept running and we made it to safety.

    "Safety" features need careful consideration before they are forced on us.

    Eric
    Bruce_Butterfield
  • thagerthager Posts: 4,570 Mega Baller
    Nobody forcing it on you Eric. I clip the lanyard to my clothing not my wrist. I do know from 20 years as an aviation accident investigator that insurance companies will go to great lengths to get out of paying settlements.
    Stir vigorously then leave!
    Wish
  • elrelr Posts: 286 Mega Baller
    Its about liability - $30 part saves $millions on a potential lawsuit v manufacturers. If its not there the manufacturers are liable. If its not used liability is on the operator.
    Ed Rink - LSF Texas
  • eleeskieleeski Posts: 3,872 Infinite Pandas
    edited April 2017
    So I am forced to use it if I want to avoid liability. That makes the kill switch (which I think reduces my safety and is certainly a maintenance disaster) an assignment of liability to me instead of addressing whatever real safety issues cause some accident. A kill switch is all bad.

    Tractors have seat sensors. Teslas have steering wheel sensors. Boats have a lanyard that no one uses. We are stuck with a $30 switch that fails frequently and in the real world never is used. Improve it or dump it.

    Eric

    Edit. Some boats need the kill switch and the lanyard is a cheap way to get it done. Tournament ski boats don't fall in the category of regularly ejecting drivers.
  • BrennanKMNBrennanKMN Posts: 483 Crazy Baller
    Fails frequently? What is your definition of frequently?

    I am not disagreeing with your thoughts, but having a kill switch be the reason you die, cannot ski, cause an accident, the zombies come is ridiculous to me. Off all the things to fail or cause serious problems I think the kill switch is pretty low on that list.

    While I rarely use mine it is still fully functional and I'd never think of deleting it. Crap, it is more work to delete it and have it look nice than to just replace the damn thing.
  • thagerthager Posts: 4,570 Mega Baller
    Nobody can force you to use it. It is there because somewhere in the past someone died.
    Same reason there are aviation regulations and other rules of the road etc. Remove the part or bypass it and you set yourself up for liability. Puff,puff, I'm done.
    Stir vigorously then leave!
  • eleeskieleeski Posts: 3,872 Infinite Pandas
    @BrennanKMN I have had the boat quit scores of times. Every old switch has eventually quit working. Never has it saved anyone. I'd call that a 100% failure rate.

    To be sure, all nuisance failures. Some have been expensive with the unneeded part replacements. No critical issues. Just "why is this even here?"

    Who is this mythical person who in the past died in a tournament boat? The only one who it really got to is John Galt.

    Eric
  • DragoDrago Posts: 1,578 Mega Baller
    I used mine once. Huge winds at Lake Powell with a full boat (wife, 2 kids, tent, sups, grill, sleeping bags,skis,surfboard ...), had the fam wear vests, too. Never thought of using it on a tourney lake. I just keep a spare under the bow, and it's the very first thing I check when the boat won't start.
    SR SL Judge & Driver (“a driver who is super late on the wheel and is out of sync”)
  • Mastercraft81SnSMastercraft81SnS Posts: 116 Baller
    You have to fix it! For liability reasons you need to fix it. Also if you have a shop do any work on your boat and they see your kill switch is bypassed and or doesn't work. They will have to fix it and will charge you to fix it.
    WishJody_Seal
  • WishWish Posts: 7,834 ★★★Triple Panda Award Recipient ★★★
    Replaced. And I think it took 3mn. Maybe less.
    >>> 11.25..a different kettle of fish. <<<
  • luckyoneluckyone Posts: 67 Baller
    hi, had a intermittent electric problem on my 2002 am skier.After living with it for years unable to find out why it does not start every once in a while,no problem because we use mostly on private lake.Finnally found kill swich slightly warped from the sun causing it to flex open and not allow to start,all else ok
  • dbutcherdbutcher Posts: 321 Solid Baller
    If your kill switch is faded (in color), failure is not far off.
  • JordanJordan Posts: 1,170 ★★★Triple Panda Award Recipient ★★★
    mine failed years ago...never used it anyhow....cut wires, twisted them together...added a little electrical tape...good for 10 years so far.

    Never have I actually seen someone attach the lanyard to themselves...not at my lake, not at any ski school I've been to and not at the ski club that I frequent.
  • WishWish Posts: 7,834 ★★★Triple Panda Award Recipient ★★★
    @Jordan see @Mastercraft81SnS post. That's why I replaced mine. Relatively cheap and stupid easy. Never have attached mine to myself.
    >>> 11.25..a different kettle of fish. <<<
  • JordanJordan Posts: 1,170 ★★★Triple Panda Award Recipient ★★★
    @Wish I'm pretty sure that if there is some kind of liability on the operator because the switch was disabled, that it would be the same if you weren't wearing it.
  • JordanJordan Posts: 1,170 ★★★Triple Panda Award Recipient ★★★
    Here is one for five bucks on Amazon
    https://goo.gl/FAAENT
    Wish
  • TdubTdub Posts: 256 Baller
    @Jordan...I think it is a good time for me to replace the switch. Will the one you found on Amazon work in a 2004 SN 196? Thanks in advance.
  • JordanJordan Posts: 1,170 ★★★Triple Panda Award Recipient ★★★
    @Tdub...they are all the same as far as how they work. The only thing to consider is if the new switch will cover the indentation in the vinyl left from the old switch.
    Tdub
  • DmaxJC_skiDmaxJC_ski Posts: 346 Solid Baller
    A buddy has a 02 sunsetter lxi, Been shutting down in him lately, no bogg, no sputter, just like you turn the key off. Everything is in excellent repair on the engine, I am assuming it's the kill switch. As soon as he cylcles the key it usually fires back up, the odd time has to crank it a bit. Any suggestions?
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