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Just how slow is a 200 with the 5.7?

escmanazeescmanaze Posts: 757 ★★★Triple Panda Award Recipient ★★★
Obviously, prop selection will affect final performance and speed, but does anybody have any real data, maybe acceleration numbers or top speed numbers with the two different engines? I ski at 4500 feet elevation and may occasionally take the boat as high as 6,000 feet, but seeing sea level speed numbers would still be very enlightening.

Before buying my TSC1 I was advised strongly to get the GT-40. I didn't. In some ways it has been fine, in other ways the advice was good advice not heeded. I'm wondering how much it might be the same story over again if I were to get a 200 with the 5.7.

Hard numbers would obviously be the best information, but driving experiences are welcome information as well. Thanks in advance.
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  • KelvinKelvin Posts: 1,188 Mega Baller
    2010 SN 200 5.7L with the Acme 654 Prop would top out at about 44 mph in Trick/Jump mode and 42 mph in Slalom mode.
    Kelvin Kelm, Lakes of Katy, Katy Texas
  • skinutskinut Posts: 416 Baller
    I have a 2012 6.0 and ski on a 2100 foot lake at 4500. I can barely get up to 36 mph by the time the boat gets to the 55's. I have used the 422 and 654. I now have a custom 3 blade from ACME that helps the boat get up to speed. If you have a short setup and are at 4500 elevation a 5.7 won't do it.
  • AndreAndre Posts: 1,318 Mega Baller
    How' bout the 5.3 at elevation and short set up ?
    Is it better then the 5.7 ?
    Enough or you need to upgrade to the 6.2 ?
  • ntxntx Posts: 828 Crazy Baller
    @andre the 5.3 is much better than the 5.7
  • WishWish Posts: 7,983 ★★★Triple Panda Award Recipient ★★★
    edited April 2017
    2008 196 6L on a 1750' spin in was bad a$$. If I ever upgrade, @OB1 has tought me that I must harness that kind of power and feel the force. Such a great boat!!
    >>> 11.25..a different kettle of fish. <<<
    6balls
  • MarcoMarco Posts: 1,426 Crazy Baller
    We had the first 200 at altitude (5700') on our lake back in 2010. The dealer said the 5.7 would be plenty. It wasn't. It was borderline at 34 on a 2000' lake with turn islands. It wouldn't pull 36. They tried re-propping it, re-programming the computer, and ended up swapping the engine out for a 6.0. Definitely go with the bigger engine!
  • KelvinKelvin Posts: 1,188 Mega Baller
    Parrish also got his [email protected] off world record behind a 2010 5.7L 200.
    Kelvin Kelm, Lakes of Katy, Katy Texas
    BlueSkieleeski
  • Alberto SoaresAlberto Soares Posts: 314 Solid Baller
    I read somewhere that for each 100m (300') of elevation you loose 1% of horsepower, our lake is at 1500m (4500') that makes 15% less power, so a 400hp in fact works as a 340hp and a 340hp will work only as 289hp, thats not enough for the new high drag hulls.

    eleeski
  • ALPJrALPJr Posts: 2,099 Mega Baller
    edited April 2017
    Off topic I know. There wasn't much drag on the hulls back in the day.
    1966 Rayson Craft w/ 1100 Merc SS. Ski pole, tracking fin and speedo were options. 0 to 36 in a blink. Tops out around 50. Weighs about 1,000# with 12 gals of gas. No wake, no spray.
    A_BJody_Sealpumpinpete
  • eleeskieleeski Posts: 3,975 Infinite Pandas
    @escmanaze You can always use @Kelvin 's trick on the boat. Pull out the old engine to repower with a 6.0 and sell me the old engine cheap.

    People complain that ZO hammers you. With a weaker engine, it can't hit you as hard so it might feel better. This works against you if you like a hard hit. It also works against you if you are a big 36mph skier. And you can always overprop the big engine to get the same effect.

    As @Alberto Soares notes, horsepower loss with altitude is real (see the pilot handbook for any little Cessna) and there is no way around it (short of turbocharging). Heat also has an effect. Hot and high is tough on the HP.

    Eric
    JordanBruce_Butterfield
  • escmanazeescmanaze Posts: 757 ★★★Triple Panda Award Recipient ★★★
    Thanks a bunch guys, this is all really good information. Yes indeed, it is real. I think you are right in the right ballpark @Alberto Soares, I have always used a rough estimate of 3% per thousand feet, which is about the same as your calculation. As @eleeski mentions, hot air just gets that much thinner and makes things even worse. I was going to follow up to @scotchipman about re-propping the 200 he said wouldn't pull a full size skier at 36, but it sounds like @Marco tried that and didn't have much luck (granted he was 1200 feet higher than me and Scot.)

    It's a bummer because finding 200's with a tower for sale on the used market is tough. Finding used 200's with a tower and a 6.0 is just a needle in a darn haystack. I'm hoping to be seriously in the market for one in a few years and was hoping I could broaden my search criteria. Sounds like that wouldn't be a great idea.
  • UWSkierUWSkier Posts: 1,363 Mega Baller
    It's really nuts what we're asking these engines to do with these modern plow-type hulls if a 5.7L can't get it done in a tournament direct-drive.
    escmanazeBruce_ButterfieldDanEBrennanKMN
  • escmanazeescmanaze Posts: 757 ★★★Triple Panda Award Recipient ★★★
    @scotchipman That may very well be true. Certainly my plan A right now is a 200, but a very very strong plan B is a TXI, and I could even go Prostar if the stars aligned just right. I do love my current CC though, and it seems like every year of owning it builds more and more brand loyalty into me, which I hate though, because I'm always the guy saying that brand loyalty is stupid. ?????
    elr
  • Not_The_PugNot_The_Pug Posts: 614 Crazy Baller
    @escmanaze just talk to your local Promo guy and order what you want. They can order it with a tower and then remove it for the tournament season and just put it back on when delivered to you. Or talk to the dealer about testing a 5.3 if available. More HP than a 5.7.

    I just got my new 200 with a 6.2.
  • escmanazeescmanaze Posts: 757 ★★★Triple Panda Award Recipient ★★★
    @Krlee I LOVE the idea of doing exactly what you are mentioning here, but there's just one problem. I put myself 3 years down the road boat shopping. At that point, if I can find something like a 2010 or 2011 model year of the 200, I'm basically looking at a 10 year old boat. I'm hoping, that at that point maybe I could get the price point somewhere in the general vicinity of $40k ± 20% or so.

    If, however, I order a promo in 2019, and then buy the promo from the guy in 2020, equip it with a tower and a big engine, well now I'm buying basically a brand new boat, not a 10 year old boat, so then I'm guessing my price range shoots up to $70k ± 20% or so.

    If my numbers are even sorta kinda close, that is a HUGE difference. The first one, on a stretch, could be realistic in 3 years. The second option doesn't seem realistic for a long time for me.
  • wski1831wski1831 Posts: 127 Baller
    @krlee where's the new boat picture?
    escmanaze
  • liquid dliquid d Posts: 1,202 Mega Baller
    Your boat is so slow , we nicknamed it Christmas....
  • Mateo_VargasMateo_Vargas Posts: 876 ★★★Triple Panda Award Recipient ★★★

    Success is failure that just hasn't happened yet
  • bigskieridahobigskieridaho Posts: 939 Crazy Baller
    @escmanaze Buy a used boat with the big engine and spend the $4K on a Roswell tower and call it a day.
  • thagerthager Posts: 4,847 Mega Baller
    I do my chin-ups at the gym.
    Stir vigorously then leave!
    kurtaupatking
  • bigskieridahobigskieridaho Posts: 939 Crazy Baller
    @thager If you can do any.
  • thagerthager Posts: 4,847 Mega Baller
    Got me! That's why I don't put monkey bars on a slalom boat.
    Stir vigorously then leave!
    skiinxsAndre
  • swc5150swc5150 Posts: 2,349 ★★★Triple Panda Award Recipient ★★★
    @escmanaze
    Food for thought... Your situation sounds pretty similar to mine was this year. We sold our 196 in Dec, and had every intention to buy a late-model 200, or promo. We expanded our search to new, non-currents sitting on dealer lots, and got a fantastic deal on a new Prostar...better than buying used or promo actually. Dealers can be very aggressive in clearing their lots of old inventory, and the manufacturers sometimes kick in dollars for them to move units. And you get a brand new boat.
    Scott Calderwood
    MISkierjjackkrash
  • supergadgetsupergadget Posts: 55 Baller
    What @6balls , and @MISkier and @bigskieridaho said.
    The 5.7 is dead.
    6.0 is better built and solves all power issues.
  • swc5150swc5150 Posts: 2,349 ★★★Triple Panda Award Recipient ★★★
    @Mark_Matis indeed! Got the MC 5 year starting now.
    Scott Calderwood
  • escmanazeescmanaze Posts: 757 ★★★Triple Panda Award Recipient ★★★
    Well @swc5150 believe me, I would love nothing more than to find a brand new boat sitting on a dealer's lot for two years that he is ready to give away. However, that concept died in Utah over a decade ago, and there are no dealers in the state, and probably in the surrounding 5 or 6 states that will even take their chances on a ski boat, because they know they just won't move it. I'm supposing, maybe incorrectly, also that even if I could find somewhere on a lot in California a brand new 2015 200 with a tower and a 6.0, I don't think it would be even remotely close to the aforementioned price range of $40k ± 20%. I may be wrong, and I would love it if I was, but that's my guess for right now.
    elr
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